I want to add a caution about the idea of translating one article for all
audiences. Even articles on some plants or animals will contain different
information depending on their role in the communities of the speakers of a
given language; how much more will articles about some politician or a
religious custom vary depending on the presumed cultural context of the
community of readers? Even sources vary according to the language of the
project, with sources in the project language preferred for ease of
verifiability. One of the strengths of multi-language Wikipedia is this
very concept of a topic being presented in a fashion that is suitable to
different communities of readers, and the language of the text is only one
part of that.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:40 AM Leila Zia <leila(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Denny, thanks for writing and rewriting this piece. I
finally got a chance
to go through it end-to-end. Challenge accepted! :)
Here are a few early thoughts, and I look forward to discussing it with you
and others further.
* I tend to agree with you that the challenges of artificial intelligence
are a superset of the challenges of bringing to life the abstract
Wikipedia. Quite a few items you list in "Unique advantages" section make
the abstract-Wikipedia space more easily approachable.
* I agree with you that if we are to take the content of Wikipedia to many
of the languages spoken in the world today, and engage their speakers to
share in, the current model won't work/scale (at least soon enough).
* You've raised a great point about "Graceful degradation". A very nice
challenge.
* In "Unique advantages" you talk about "a single genre of text,
encyclopedias" and I wonder what it takes to expand our thinking to include
images as well. Will we need to rethink your current construct? Including
images is attractive for at least two reasons: Because in terms of learning
people have different needs and we will likely need to (continue to)
include images as we create the abstractions, but also because one can
potentially think of images as representations that are already abstract.
Best,
Leila
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 10:13 AM Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>
wrote:
an interesting concept indeed!
dj
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:36 PM Denny Vrandečić <vrandecic(a)gmail.com
<mailto:vrandecic@gmail.com>> wrote:
The extended whitepaper that was presented at the DL workshop is now
available here:
http://simia.net/download/abstractwikipedia_whitepaper.pdf
Still not a proper scientific paper (no references, notv situated in
related work), but going into a bit more detail on the ideas on the first
paper published previously.
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018, 11:32 Denny Vrandečić <vrandecic(a)gmail.com<mailtomailto:
vrandecic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Semantic Web languages allow to express ontologies and knowledge bases
in
> a way meant to be particularly amenable to
the Web. Ontologies
formalize
> the shared understanding of a domain. But
the most expressive and
> widespread languages that we know of are human natural languages, and
the
> largest knowledge base we have is the wealth
of text written in human
> languages.
>
> We looks for a path to bridge the gap between knowledge representation
> languages such as OWL and human natural languages such as English. We
> propose a project to simultaneously expose that gap, allow to
collaborate
> on closing it, make progress widely visible,
and is highly attractive
and
> valuable in its own right: a Wikipedia
written in an abstract language
to
> be rendered into any natural language on
request. This would make
current
> Wikipedia editors about 100x more
productive, and increase the content
of
> Wikipedia by 10x. For billions of users this
will unlock knowledge they
> currently do not have access to.
>
> My first talk on this topic will be on October 10, 2018, 16:45-17:00,
at
the
Asilomar in Monterey, CA during the Blue Sky track of ISWC. My
second,
> longer talk on the topic will be at the DL workshop in Tempe, AZ,
October
27-29.
Comments are very welcome as I prepare the slides and the talk.
Link to the paper:
http://simia.net/download/abstractwikipedia.pdf
Cheers,
Denny
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