Robert Scott Horning wrote:
Anthony DiPierro wrote:
As for the guidelines being
decided on meta rather than Wikibooks, I don't see why that really
matters, but at the same time it probably wouldn't be hard to convince
people to move the discussions.
From my understanding Wikibooks doesn't have
all that big of an active
community in the first place, sans Wikijunior. If that's true maybe
that's part of the problem.
I have asked for the discussions to be moved to Wikibooks and was
shouted down as being out of order and the discussions continued
anyway on Meta. Notices of votes about Wikijunior were on the Meta
Goings-on instead of the Wikibooks staff lounge. This is a problem.
Absolutely! This can undermine a community. It seems to me that there
could be room for accomodation if it weren't for these misplaced
discussions, and, even worse, votes.
As far as Wikibooks not having that active of a
community, I think you
need to go back to Wikibooks and check again. There are daily changes
on the Staff Lounge, and some rather involved arguments that go on
with the VfD page as well. Wikijunior is hardly that large of a part
of Wikibook and is only one little corner of the whole thing there as
well. That is precisely the problem in some ways and one of the
arguments to move Wikijunior to Wikibooks: That it was percieved that
Wikibooks was a dead project and nobody was around to bother and look
at what was being done.
I don't know if that's the case. When this came up a year or so ago my
support was based on the simple fact that they sought to produce books.
We are averaging about two to three new admins per
month now, and some
significant cleanup of previous deadwood is also happening. I don't
know how else to decribe an active project besides this. I mention
the growth in the number of new admins in part because it also shows
general user growth as well, of which there have been plenty.
Wikibooks can exists and grow without Wikijunior. It doesn't need it,
and is only a very small portion of the items for recent changes on
Wikibooks. I'll admit that Wikibooks isn't as active as Wikipedia,
but en.wikibooks is a larger community than most of the language
domains for Wikipedia. Some very interesting and very
non-controversial things are happening on Wikibooks that are very
positive, and some very interesting Wikibooks are developing that are
worthy of note even now. That there is room for improvement, I don't
deny either.
Looks like it's developping as it should.
Ec