On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams <
kwwilliams(a)kwwilliams.com> wrote:
Op 2013/08/06 7:55, Martijn Hoekstra schreef:
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Kevin Wayne
Williams <
kwwilliams(a)kwwilliams.com> wrote:
Their argument for
'opt-out' is based solely upon the
quality and quantity of testing that
it
affords to VE. VE is not a mission-critical feature: while we have
concerns
about Wikipedia's sustainability, there's no question that it has
survived
for years and will survive for years more. The stability of the site is
much more important than testing this code, and the testing strategy of
presenting it as if it was functioning software and seeing what people
did
with it wasn't a reasonable decision: it was completely and absolutely
irresponsible.
Opt-out with a beta or experimental notice (as it is now when enabled on
en.wiki)
doesn't seem to have the problem of presenting it if it were
mature software you present as the pivotal problem in this post.
Their deployment strategy (not labeling the software as beta on the user
interface, changing the function of the existing buttons, no warning when
the software was entered, deploying it to new editors that had no chance of
having seen notices about it) hinged on getting the unwary and uninformed
to press the "edit" button without realizing what they were getting into.
Saying that it is reasonable *now* doesn't excuse the five weeks that
preceded it.
KWW
No, and I'm very concerned about the deployment as it happened, as well as
its immediate aftermath. I believe those are incredibly important and hard
discussions we as a movement (and that includes you, WMF employees!) have
to have, lest things go this wrong in the future again. I find the
discussion on having opt-in or opt-out in the current situation where the
button is clearly marked as beta to be unimportant or even trivial in
comparison, and think that if we keep talking about the last implementation
disagreements, we are taking attention away from the issue that should be
discussed, which is how we can avoid a fiasco like this the next time.
--Martijn
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