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dinar qorbanof wrote:
i have said "as i know it is used to make some anonymousity of ip address in russian providers", it is "as i think", i think that probably they intentionally use dynamic ip for some anonymousity, partially just to connect many people through few ip-addresses. i have said "but that was because of shortage of ipv4 addresses". but if it is made for anonymousity, that can be made also with ipv6.
Here in the U.S., ISPs keep records of who used what IP address at what time. So, let's say that I had a dynamic IP address that changed every day. If I got arrested and the courts ordered my ISP to give them a list of IP addresses I have used in the last month, they would do so, complete with the times I used each IP address. At least here in the U.S., dynamic IPs aren't used for anonymity, but simply because there aren't enough IPv4 addresses left.
Huib Laurens has said "Its againt the privacy poliicy to publish logs like that" and FastLizard4 has said "The Wikimedia Foundation believes otherwise. Take a look at their Privacy Policy". these arguments are not very correct, because i say about changing that privacy policy itself, and am not i talking to wikimedia foundation?
No, you aren't. You're talking to a mailing list of people interested in Foundation affairs. You'll find that most of the people posting to this list, including myself, are simply volunteer Wikipedia editors interested in what's going on in the WMF. There are a few WMF staffers that subscribe to this list, but this isn't the appropriate place for requesting a change to the Privacy Policy, and I don't know where that place is. And, as I have said, it is *extremely* unlikely that the Privacy Policy will be changed. But, I believe to actually propose the change, you need to go to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Privacy_policy.
FastLizard4 has said:
some people are understandably quite frankly scared by the idea of broadcasting their IP address to the world, since very often, rather accurate details about the location - amongst other things - of the user can be found from checking the IP address.
i think, that is quite secure for them, if only their town or region is found.
Although I am no longer really this way, for a few years as a Wikipedia editor, when I was more active, I certainly didn't want people to know what city I lived in. I live in a very small one, and there's probably twelve or less Wikipedia editors that live there. Many editors (especially administrators) have had threats of violence made against them; all the more reason to keep your IP address secret to ensure one less way for people to find out where you live.
Besides, the aim with keeping IP addresses confidential is not to be convenient to people who want access to server logs, but to take reasonable measures to protect users' privacy. Why should we even take the risk of putting lists of IP addresses from server logs out in the public?
how many people think so?
You're missing the central point here: the fact that *some* editors do believe that their IP address should be kept confidential means that IP address info will be kept confidential for *all* users - it's simply too much trouble to cherry-pick IPs that want and do not want to be kept confidential; it's far easier (and makes the Foundation far less liable) if they just keep all IPs secret. This is why the process for checking the IP addresses of registered users is so complex and checked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CheckUser - and even then, the actual IP addresses are never given to anyone.
how many people have one ip address for a family (home) or even personal ip (if it is personal modem of gprs/edge/3g for personal notebook)?
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here, but if I do understand you correctly, almost everyone here in the U.S. has only one external IP address per household. Most families only need (and can afford) one Internet connection, hence one IP address. The only exceptions, I'd imagine, are people that run servers. Hence why I have two IP addresses I use primarily - my home, and my server.
may be they should use proxy
FastLizard4 has said:
As for open proxies for editing, they are generally disallowed from editing.
i had not known about that. i want to check that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PROXY (Other WMF wikis may have different policies on the matter, but the English Wikipedia's is pretty common, I believe.)
...or ask their provider to make anonymous ip for them?
Some ISPs here in the U.S., such as AOL, do use anonymizing proxies normally, but many (including AOL) have agreements with the WMF in which the ISP will send X-Forwarded-For headers, which contain the original user's IP address; XFF headers, if present and approved for use by the WMF, are used instead of the external IP as seen by the servers. And, as far as I know, in the U.S., requesting an anonymous IP from your ISP is not a request a user can make.
And, besides, what are we going to do? Put up a banner on top of every WMF website saying "Hey, we're releasing your IP address information to people! If you don't like this, go call your ISP to get an anonymous IP address!" Half the people visiting probably don't even know what an IP address is, and in this case, not knowing about it doesn't make it any less dangerous to your privacy.
Huib Laurens has said:
there is really no good reason given why people should see al the ip information for all visitors on a wiki
what about opening ips not of all wikipedias, but of only several language subdomains?
Subdomains are also covered under the WMF Privacy Policy, so it's really a moot point. But, what exactly would you do with the IP address logs for a few subdomains, as opposed to the entire Wikimedia farm? - -- - --FastLizard4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FastLizard4)