[Wikimedia-l] Radiological images

credits on the work should also be added to the machine operator, as they would be akin to the photographer.  However they are simply contracted, and not the independent conceptualizer of the work, in its final output.  There may be observers present, and the observer always affects the result of  the observed, in the privacy realm of patient to doctor operations, there should theoretically be at least 2 people present, at the time of the creation of the radiological image.  Therefore some median agreement of rights at least , should go to the patient and the operator in a dual fashion primarily, with the hospital or medical center having no copyright priviliges, except those under patient/operator direction. ________________________________ From: Erlend Bjørtvedt <erlend(a)wikimedia.no> To: Joseph Chirum <sundog358(a)yahoo.com>om>; Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Radiological images When we speak of CT or MR, the machine is in both cases operated by (at least) two persons. It seems that they perform different tasks (the machines are big and complex). It also seems that the operation of both persons is necessary for the images to be taken.   Quite apart from the question of who actually takes the image, the question of creative / artistic work is interesting. Is an x-ray image artistic, or is it part of a clinical process. The same really goes With the geologicing surveying image of a sea bottom taken by a geo-service vessel, the "machines" being operated by a number of crew. First question is who of them took the image, the next question is whether or not the geological mapping image is artistic at all. I think it's not.   Erlend 2013/9/17 Joseph Chirum <sundog358(a)yahoo.com> In my opinion, the patient is the copyright holder.  for these reasons mentioned by Erlend.  The hospital is an institution, and the photographer is an employee.  Therefore the patient is the consumer, and thus the patron, in turn forming an agreement as to the subject matter, and thus the content of the original work of technical craft, if not Art.  Artist's rights are thus rendered irrelevent if not Art, thus the traditional copyright structure of said work. -- Erlend Bjørtvedt Nestleder, Wikimedia Norge Vice chairman, Wikimedia Norway Mob: +47 - 9225 9227 http://no.wikimedia.org