>> Florence Devouard wrote:
>>
>>> ... I felt I could not say publicly that
> Wikipedia was one
>>> of the tools to bring peace on Earth because I
> also know working on our
>>> projects (not only Wikipedia) is somehow becoming
> increasingly
>>> difficult. We are more numerous, more protective
> to our
>>> featured-content, less welcoming to our newbies
> (for technical or social
>>> reasons).
>>> How many experts have been driven away by the
> agressivity of some of our
>>> members ? How many new editors just were
> discouraged by the difficulty
>>> of editing a table or a template ? How many
> newbies were blocked because
>>> they just did not understood quickly enough how
> to use a talk page ?
>>> Also, during the year, several cases of online or
> offline harassment of
>>> contributors were reported. Harassement which
> came as a result of their
>>> contributions to our projects.
>>
Brian McNeil wrote:
> In
trying to do my bit for fundraising I emailed
Howard Tayler, a webcomic
> artist asking could he help with my nonexistent
drawing skills and make up
> an ad for his site that I'd pay for during part of
the WMF fundraiser.
>
> As an indication that there is indisputably a
problem that needs addressed,
> here is the response I got.
>
>
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> I use Wikipedia from time to time, and
appreciate
its value to the growing
> internet community, and to the world at large.
>
> I will not, however, help them raise money. I am
strongly opposed to the
> "anti-webcomics" agenda that has been espoused by
a number of prominent
> editors. If the foundation really cared about what
these editors write, and
> how they treat other people, it would take steps
to curb their behavior.
>
> This, unfortunately, is a very non-negotiable
position on my part, and I'd
> prefer to not argue about it. We'd just be wasting
each others' time.
>
> I appreciate your attempt to raise money for a
cause you believe in, and am
> flattered that you'd think of me in connection to
it.
>
> --Howard
>
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>>
>> This issue isn't just costing us contributors;
> we're losing goodwill and
>> fundraising opportunities.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>
> Right....
>
> What is that anti-webcomics" agenda he is talking
> about ?
>
> Ant
>
on 10/22/07 1:50 PM, Birgitte SB at birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com wrote:
This is an en.WP issue (again). Articles on web-comics
have been deleted as not notable on en.WP. [1] It
might be useful to share with Howard what the actual
mission of Wiki*media* is and how it works, just for
the sake of clarity. But I can't imagine anyone would
really support WMF writing and enforcing new deletion
guidelines for en.WP or anything else that would truly
appease him.
Brigitte,
This is the key to his message:
"If the foundation really cared about what these editors write, and how
they
treat other people, it would take steps to curb their behavior."
The web-comics issue must, of course, be presented to. But, to focus only
on
the web-comics issue is like extinguishing a single tree in the middle of
a
forest fire.
The issue with Wikipedia is the deteriorating culture, and the equally
deteriorating language of that culture! And anyone who stands by and
allows
it to happen - and to continue - is equally culpable. Cultural change
happens only when the people who are a part of that culture change. And a
culture is a reflection of everyone who is a part of it.
Marc Riddell
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