Hi Tomasz,
Thank you very much for the information. It is quite unexpected that the Board of Trustees can't be officially reached in any way, and we have to try to find our way individually to one and each of the trustees, until one of them accepts the hot potato in their hands (or not).
I wonder how all this got to this point.
Regards, Paulo
Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019 à(s) 17:01:
As far as I know there is no single E-mail address you can contact Board, but you can try to catch directly any members of the Board who are still brave enough to provide their personal E-mail... This is not that straightforward as you may expect, but first go here:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/
than click on any face you may find especially friendly, and then in some cases (not in all) by clicking links in their description, with some good luck you may land on the page, where there is some contact information :-)
Or - much simpler: forget rather useless official WMF website, which is tailored rather to impress than to provide any information, and go to meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees
where you can find link to meta-userpages of them and then you can contact them as usually on wiki.
Good luck,
pon., 6 maj 2019 o 17:09 Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com napisał(a):
Hello Tomasz,
Thank you for your answer. In the hypothesis of being the Board, how can one contact it? I do not see any address I could use listed here: https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/contact/
I hope at least some of them are reading this mailing list. They can get back to me, in public or private, and I'll send the case for
investigation.
Regards, Paulo
Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019 à(s) 15:57:
It seems that the only body can help with this is WMF Board od
Trustees,
as
Affcom is the advisory committee of the Board, and the Board is the top body legally responsible for the work of entire WMF.
pon., 6 maj 2019 o 15:39 Paulo Santos Perneta <paulosperneta@gmail.com
napisał(a):
Hi Cornelius,
Apart from the general discussion about the specific role of AffCom,
I
really would like to know who is the entity overseeing the AFfCom, so
that
I can send an official complaint there about what I believe is a
fraudulent
and out of process sanction. This is not a question for the Roles & Responsibilities WG, as The Land has already noted there.
Since AffCom is an advisory body to the BoT, it doesn't look as if
the
BoT
can or should interfere directly on AffCom. But then, who? At the
current
light, AffCom is looking as a very much unchecked and extremely
powerful
entity, taking decisions out of process, in absolute secrecy, and
issuing
decrees without following even the most basic principles of due
process.
And this is not a theoretical question, it is a practical one. It
affects
directly not only affiliates, but also members of the community not connected to any affiliate, as I had not any connection to any of the affiliates involved in that case.
And this is not an isolated case. As I told, the accusations made
last
year
by AffCom against WMPT never were substantiated, and when a lawyer
finally
looked into them, he come out with exactly the same recommendation
and
request the chapter made itself to the AffCom, before the whole
situation
even started. So what was behind those accusations, back then?
It is very easy and comfortable for the WMF/AffCom to blind
everything
with
the excuse that the evidence is secret, but that is completely out of process, and against the most elementary principles of Human Rights.
I want to know who planted this false information at the WMF, and why
it
was not checked by the WMF, to the point that a secret sanction
aganitt
me
come to be in place (since when? till when? no idea).
To who should I complaint about this?
Paulo
Cornelius Kibelka cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019 à(s) 14:14:
Hi all,
I think these are good and relevant questions, but I'd suggest you
keep
the
discussion where it's best placed – on the talk page of the Roles & Responsibility scoping document talk page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/201...
Paulo has already started a discussion over there. Kirill, it would
be
great if you could add your opinion and experience there as well.
Best regards Cornelius
On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 15:11, Kiril Simeonovski < kiril.simeonovski@gmail.com> wrote:
P.S. I would also like to add the other committees in the
movement
such
like the grantmaking committees. My first go would be the Board
of
Trustees
but it is better to see if someone who knows exactly can provide
more
details.
Best, Kiril
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:03 PM Kiril Simeonovski < kiril.simeonovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Paulo, > > This is an excellent question. I am curious to find out that
too.
> > Best, > Kiril > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:13 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Actually, I'm not familiar with this specific situation as
well,
apart
>> from >> having been informed by my affiliate that WMF had informed it
I
was
under >> some sanction that probably I was unaware of, related to
affiliates
I
was >> not part of and episotes I do not took part. >> >> This is an outraging, appalling and unbelievable behavior from
the
>> Wikimedia Foundation in general, and AffCom in particular. I
really
would >> like to get to the bottom of this, and more than have it
reverted, I
>> actually want to know who planted the false information about
me
there
>> which led to this situation. >> >> I hope there is some way to effectively and officially demand
and
internal >> inquiry inside the Wikimedia Foundation over this situation. >> >> Best, >> Paulo >> >> >> >> >> >> Benjamin Ikuta benjaminikuta@gmail.com escreveu no dia
segunda,
>> 6/05/2019 >> à(s) 10:20: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm not familiar with this specific situation, but I agree
that
more
>> > transparency and accountability would be good. >> > >> > >> > >> > On May 6, 2019, at 12:40 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta < >> paulosperneta@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Hello, >> > > >> > > A few days ago the Wikimedia affiliate I belong to was
officially
>> > informed, >> > > by a WMF source, that I'm being subject to a until now
unknown
>> sanction, >> > > with an accusation from AffCom I can only describe as
baseless
and
>> > > fraudulent, relating to a a situation between two
affiliates,
dealt
>> with >> > by >> > > AffCom more than one year ago, of which I was never part
of,
occurred >> > more >> > > than one year ago. I was never informed of this. >> > > >> > > This is not the first time AffCom engages in this sort of
appalling
>> > > behavior. As far as I know, WMPT is still waiting for the accusations >> > made >> > > by AffCom last year, which led to its suspension, to be substantiated. >> > > AffCom never substantiated anything related to that, with
the
excuse
>> of a >> > > need for secrecy. >> > > >> > > How, I ask you all as members of the Movement, how come
the
Wikimedia >> > > Movement allowed for such a secretive, arbitrary,
apparently
unchecked >> > and >> > > very much powerful institution to grow and thrive like
this
in
its
>> > middle, >> > > overseeing and effectively controlling the relation of all
of
us
(both >> > > affiliates and individuals) and the WMF? >> > > >> > > More important than that, what can be done about this?
Where
one
can
>> > appeal >> > > to, when presented with such fraudulent, baseless,
secretive,
>> > > unsubstantiated accusations by a body which was supposed
to
be
above
>> all >> > > suspicion? >> > > >> > > Can an internal inquiry be demanded somewhere at the
Wikimedia
>> Foundation >> > > over the activities and decisions of AffCom, in the same
way
we
do
>> with >> > > suspicious activity by checkusers and supervisors, with
the
Ombudsman >> > > Commission? >> > > >> > > Looking forward for any help and insight on this, >> > > >> > > Paulo - DarwIn >> > > Wikimedia Portugal >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
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