Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

-- Peter Coombe Fundraising Production Manager Wikimedia Foundation On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 at 20:00, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote: > I can imagine that this alternate privacy policy is actually covering a > wider range of sites that are non-wiki, such as the fundraising > infrastructure and the survey websites, voting websites etc. Rather than > having a different privacy policy for each of those instances, I think it > is actually clearer to have two policies: one for the content delivery (the > 'wikis') that have practically zero cookie tracking to the best of my > knowledge and one for the other websites that may require other methods to > be functional. > > As a sidenote, I think it actually could be a totally fair statement to say > that wikimediafoundation.org is, relative to the content projects, not a > 'major site' of the WMF. It is supporting infrastructure at best. (no > offense :) ) > > Lodewijk > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 7:23 AM Chico Venancio chicocvenancio@gmail.com > wrote: > > > Indeed an special watered down privacy policy is strange. It is worth > > noting that the standard privacy policy[1] does not state that it only > > applies to "wiki based websites" but instead lists what it does and does > > not cover[2], the only interpretation that allows a separate policy for > the > > new website weirdly leaves* https://wikimediafoundation.org/ > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/ as being defined to not be a major > site > > of WMF. * > > > > Irregardless of possible poor wording of both privacy policies, I find it > > strange that the main website for WMF has a tracking pixel and forces > > visitors to provide users' personal information (as defined by either > > privacy policies) to Google and Wordpress.com. > > > > Perhaps this is something WMF could revisit? > > > > Best regards, > > Chico Venancio > > > > [1]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy > > [2]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy#coverage > > > > > > > > 2018-08-06 2:06 GMT-03:00 Yair Rand yyairrand@gmail.com: > > > > > There are several more issues I've noticed with the new website: > > > * According to the notice at the bottom, the company "Automattic Inc." > is > > > receiving all sorts of data about all visitors to the site, including > > > location information, cookie data, data from pixel tags/web beacons > used > > to > > > track visitors and target ads on other WordPress sites, and other data. > > > * The "non-wiki privacy policy of the Wikimedia Foundation" linked at > the > > > bottom is different than the regular privacy policy. Why is this? > > > * Much of the content is essentially English-Wikipedia-only. "Visit The > > > Teahouse for a friendly place to learn about editing" Most Wikipedias > > don't > > > have teahouses or equivalents. > > > * In "Wikimedia projects": "Wikipedia - All the world's knowledge". See > > > [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of > > information]]. > > > * "Working with partners like Google, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, > and > > > UNESCO, Wikimedia...". I don't think most Wikimedians are okay with the > > WMF > > > describing Google as among its partners. Nor the Met or UNESCO, for > that > > > matter. > > > * In the "Technology" section, there's a paragraph devoted to bragging > > > about how NASA has an internal Mediawiki wiki. I don't think that > belongs > > > there. > > > * The actual Wikimedia Foundation Mission is kind of buried deep in the > > > site. The Mission is the definitive version of what the WMF is supposed > > to > > > be doing, and I really think it should be highlighted somewhere in a > more > > > prominent position. > > > > > > "The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage > people > > > around the world to collect and develop educational content under a > free > > > license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and > > > globally. > > > > > > In collaboration with a network of chapters, the Wikimedia Foundation > > > provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework > for > > > the support and development of multilingual wiki projects and other > > > endeavors which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep > > > useful information from its projects available on the Internet free of > > > charge, in perpetuity." > > > > > > -- Yair Rand > > > > > > 2018-08-03 17:12 GMT-04:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk: > > > > > > > On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your > > > > browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/ > > > > > > > > The home page currently says: > > > > > > > > " Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons > > > > material. " > > > > > > > > That is not true. Material includes: > > > > > > > > * PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc) > > > > * Fair-use copyright material. > > > > > > > > In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page > > > > and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not > > > > be available under a free license in the United States because it is > > > > based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright > > > > under U.S. law." > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Andy Mabbett > > > > @pigsonthewing > > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe