Craig, Phoebe, and Yaroslav, those are all very good points. Until
Google improves its image-recognition software, most photos appearing
in google images are triggered by text in the image description. It
should be easy to tag problematic image desriptions, especially when
more people than the subject are recognizable in the photo. Certainly
identification of people in the text is completely unnecessary if they
are non-notable, so introducing "tiers of notability" might be an
interesting idea (though someone marginally notable in the US is
probably not notable elsewhere and the other way around)
I still think that we need more discovery tools to allow people (BLP
subjects and their extended contacts) to find out more about the text
or photo they are interested in. We should do a lot more on complaint
prevention, because as Phoebe said, we just don't have enough time to
handle the complaints.
2013/12/15, Craig Franklin <cfranklin(a)halonetwork.net>et>:
On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg
<jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin
<cfranklin(a)halonetwork.net> wrote:
Hi Jane,
I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment "the real BLP
problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count
terms) Wikipedia users
swing their weight around"
I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the
reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get ten different answers. All
ten
would probably have some truth in them, but any
one in isolation would
be
inadequate.
The list of problems becomes even longer for images.
The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about
identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography. This
new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such
distinction for media, which I guess will result in lots of confusion
about whether the scope includes images of unidentifiable people. It
should, but ...
Part of the problem in my view is that there is no notability requirements
for identifiable persons appearing in images. While in the great majority
of cases this is not really a problem, it does lead to very problematic
things like pictures of people in states of undress, engaging in sexual
activity, or doing something else their employer, family or local community
might not be okay with, without any evidence of ongoing consent for that
image to remain available. The only mechanism for getting rid of these is
effectively for the subject of the image to email a stranger, provide
evidence that they're the person in the image, ask nicely for it to be
taken down, and hope to hell that the person is reasonable and doesn't play
the "It's educational and under a free licence, sorry!" card. This is an
issue that needs to be addressed because the status quo is entirely
unsatisfactory.
Of course, the immediate reaction on Commons to this seems to be
Wikilawyering as to whether the resolution applies to galleries or not.
Given that the BoT's intent is clearly that this should apply to
everything, everywhere on all Wikimedia projects, this doesn't fill me with
a great deal of hope that the Commons community as a whole is capable of
adequately dealing with this.
Cheers,
Craig
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