--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Tisza Gergő <gtisza(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Letting the time of the most active community members go to
waste like
this is not only very discouraging them, and not only does
it
undermine their trust in the revision flagging system
(which proved to
be a very valuable anti-vandalism tool, but it was always
hard to get
enough people involved), it also creates a rift between WMF
and the
local community. People perceive that the foundation does
not respect
their volunteer work at all, and it is only quick when it
is creating
problems (their previous contact with WMF was when someone
shot down
the statistics script that ran with community consensus,
without as
much as a question or comment), and not when it should be
solving
them.
If you want to broaden participation and involve more
people into
meta-projects, start with actually caring about issues like
these. And
now please, please find someone to finally fix bug 19885.
I hope someone is able to shortly fix this issue for you.
However I think you have a mistaken idea about WMF. The reason people are wanted to join
meta-projects is to ensure that their local wikis issues are understood. The meta-projects
*are* hu.WP's projects, not competition for hu.WP. If you, or someone like you, is not
part of foundation discussions to both speak up about hu.WP concerns and also to better
inform hu.WP discussions about larger issues and trends, then how can hu.WP be properly
cared for? Certainly everyone here wishes success for hu.WP and that her volunteers are
active and happy. But for the most part, people here are not some abstract
"WMF-people" who have neglected hu.WP. We are en.WS people or fr.WP people or
de.WP people.
I originally joined this list much like you did. Rather upset at what felt was attacks on
en.WS's sincere efforts to do the right thing and general lack of help for us. These
"WMF-people" had been talking about en.WS and saying we would have to delete the
UK Hunting Act. I came here hoping to convince these people to actually help us: tell us
exactly what copyright allows (very naive I know) rather than just dictating that our
stuff be deleted without clarification. But I discovered that these
"WMF-people" were no more than people just like me. Passionate people who found
their way here with their feet still firmly planted in their own particular interests.
They meant no harm to en.WS, but en.WS didn't rate very high in their concerns either.
I quickly realized that someone from en.WS better keep on top of things here, before our
interests got inadvertently squashed by someones pet issue. Or we merely got forgotten.
So I understand how you might be hoping for for solutions and answers to be found here. I
certainly did, but I learned it was a mistake to think there was such authority here. You
will find opinions and ideas here. Sometimes you may find needed attention. (I hope this
is the case today!) But the only real answer for solving hu.WP issues is to see that hu.WP
is in WMF. hu.WP people must be in WMF people. hu.WP developers must be in WMF
developers. hu.WP projects must be in WMF projects. Then hu.WP will find real answers and
solutions. Or at least, they will find answers and solutions as well as anyone does.
Birgitte SB