Maybe we can (as a movement) can invest more of our resources in the development of video conferencing and filming the presentations. Most volunteers are simple users, the are not necessarily computer techs, which means that we need to develop a "plug-and-play" method of participating. That been said, I am much more in favor of reducing the number of chapter-level staff and EDs who participate in Wikimania conferences (whereas the attendance of top-level WMF staff should be expected). The different Wikimedia projects are volunteer based projects, and the annual (or bi-annual) Wikimania conferences should be world-wide get-togethers of Wikimedia volunteers.
Staff is staff. When we send our employees around the World for these different conferences, we are not being very efficient. It would be far better to have them video-conference instead of spending hours or days in transport time, as well as food and lodging. Volunteers usually go on their vacation time.
The Wikimedia movement as a whole really needs to get some expertise when it comes to videoconferencing using open source solutions (as opposed to proprietary software solutions). A good place to start would be with the staff since we can choose what type of software we want, and our employees will then learn to use it. It will then be a lot easier for the volunteers to do the same.
Best regards Gabe
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 2:49 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I totally support Illario words: "if the option is to pay 500 long travels for scholarships by flight to attend a single event or to pay 500 travels for the staff of WMF to attend several regional conferences, the answer will be in favor of the second option which is more sustainable and more efficient." and what Fae and others have been saying all along. It makes much more sense to restrict global meetings and events to the minimum essential, and support instead regional events, which are way more cheaper, democratic, sustainable (in all ways) and have a much less significant carbon footprint. By inviting Wikimedians from nearby countries, WMF staff and very selected international scholarships we can still be able to provide great "flesh-and-bones" interaction, and can eventually coordinate with other groups of Wikimedians from any part of the world through videoconferencing. In this last Wikimania in Stockholm, I was actually able to successfully participate remotely in a panel there, along with 2 other remote fellows (me in Madeira Island, one in Israel and another in Mexico):
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Education/Education_%26_Libraries:...
Of course, presential attendance and interaction is still crucial, as we (generally) are not hermits editing from caves, and it has a fundamental effect in local community capacity and structure building, but that can be done at a regional (rather than national, as travel costs and footprint do not respect national boundaries) level. For those reasons, I believe there should be a strong strategic focus on funding regional conferences in the Wikimedia Movement, and was somewhat disappointed when the organizing teams at Wikimania 2019 and the last Wiki Education conference at the Basque country apparently had not also focused on this regional approach (if it existed, it either was not explicit, or I couldn't find it), with a weighting factor on scholarships related to the proximity/vicinity of attendants.
I agree that it is very cool to be immersed in a sea of diversity and cultural interchange at Wikimedia events, with people coming from all parts of the world, but that is not sustainable, and as has been mentioned, that group of attendants is not necessarily representative of the active Wikimedian communities. More regional events, building up a strong regional Wikimedia structure, and limiting global events to the very essential, is the way to go IMO.
Best, Paulo
Fæ faewik@gmail.com escreveu no dia segunda, 23/09/2019 à(s) 13:10:
Imagine a world where instead of going through security for 2 or 3 hours, flying for 4 hours and travelling by train and bus to get to and from airports in order to enjoy a physical meeting with fellow Wikimedians, you simply got a bus or train and travelled for an hour to a fun meeting place where you met several fellow Wikimedians in your country, and together spend the day playing around with immersive conferencing to workshop, discuss and learn from fellow Wikimedians in other countries. All this and still get home to spend the night in your own bed, feed your cat, or meet your kids coming back from school.
That's "making time and space for both" while taking real measurable action for climate change by reducing our entirely avoidable numbers of international flights.
The truth is, that despite discussing this since Wikimania events started, and in that time technology making doing this is almost as simple as an Affiliate hiring headsets for mobile phones, we have never even trialled decent immersive virtual conferencing spaces for productive conferencing.
Fae
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 12:57, Rebecca O'Neill rebeccanineil@gmail.com wrote:
Is it, perhaps, that the value a lot of people derive from these events
is
not just the conference itself, but the ability to meet fellow
Wikimedians
face-to-face and make meaningful contacts and even friendships that may never otherwise have come about? I'm all about virtual, but there is
value
in physical events, and I would say that we should make time and space
for
both.
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 12:54, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com
wrote:
Yes
We dont give all scholarships for that reason while for regional
Wikicon we
receive more requests and we fill the amount immediately.
It's not an opinion that in our events people prefer to arrive by
train and
not by flight. We see it as soon we receive the expenses report and
when we
ask the reason the answer is the climate change.
Kind regards
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, 13:25 Gabriel Thullen, gabriel@thullen.com
wrote:
I am a Swiss member, and I did go to Wikimania (and did a small presentation).
I think that you need to clarify you statement: "In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because
people
would not do long trips."
When looking up what was sais for Wikimania 2019 I read: "Wikimedia CH offers scholarships for active Wikimedians. They
cover
transportation, hotel (max 3 nights) from the 16th to the 18th, and registration fees. To check your eligibility, you can consult
conditions
of
eligibility on this page <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Policies/Scholarships
."
Best regards Gabe
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:14 PM Ilario Valdelli <
valdelli@gmail.com>
wrote:
Anyways this is perceived by the community.
In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because
people
would not do long trips.
IMHO the problem is these big events.
For this reason we prefer to give more scholarships for regional
wikicon
than to Wikimania.
This is the reason why you dont see more Swiss people at
Wikimania.
Kind regards
On Sat, 21 Sep 2019, 00:51 Samuel Klein, meta.sj@gmail.com
wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 4:00 PM Robert Fernandez <
wikigamaliel@gmail.com
> > wrote: > > > I think we could drastically lower our carbon footprint by
not
using
> > community digital resources to beat the same dead horse for a
billionth
> > time. > > > > I laughed out loud. > > AND. I love that the WMF joined the strike, and have some
practical
> thoughts. > > a) Reach out to Stripe > https://stripe.com/gb/blog/negative-emissions-commitment,
which
has
a
> through self-assessment and a negative-emissions program, and
the
Long
Now, > to coordinate efforts. > b) Evaluate the community-wide carbon footprint, which is
dominated
by
> b.1) How we run conferences [*mostly in person*] > b.2) How we choose partners, communicate climate imformation,
and
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