From: John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Pissed off at en:Wikisource
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
<foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 3:49 AM
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:05 PM,
Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod(a)mccme.ru>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I think this is a communety thing. Its to bad that
you lost your
> adminship but why should people from other
projects step in?
> I mean this is something on the en.source not
a
global thing.
huib
--
I have no idea of the en.ws situation, nor do I want
to have any idea, but
I would like to remark that leaving such things
to the
community decision
is a good idea only if the community itself is
big
enough. Otherwise, it
is easy for a group of individuals, or even for
an
individual to introduce
their own rules which may be incompatible with
the
general purposes of the
project. In this case, an external help may be
needed.
For instance, this
is what happened a year ago on ru.wb when the
only
admin has been
desysopped after it has been discovered and
reported
on this very list
that he arbitrarily abused and blocked other
users and
removed edits.
Again, I am not really aware of the situation on
en.ws, I have no idea
whether this project is big enough to solve their
own
problems within the
project, and I do not want to make any statements
about any users over
there. (As a matter of fact, I never logged in to
en.ws). I just wanted to
say that not every project is capable with
solving its
own problems.
I agree with this. English Wikisource does not have a
mediation
framework, and I didnt participate in that desysop
discussion as much
as I should have, due to time constraints. The next
step would be a
meta RFC, or something like an offwiki discussion. I
am happy to
participate in something like that if it would help.
What I will say now is that Eclecticology is a great
contributor to
the English Wikisource project, and I hope he continues to
be. The
main project that he has been working on, [[s:Dictionary of
National
Biography, 1885-1900]], has been exempt from the structure
imposed on
the rest of the project, as a way of reducing the
tensions.
Sorry but there is no reason to have a RFC on Meta for anything remotely like this
situation. And I would say that if were regarding any wiki (I am sure I have said that
for similar situations on other wikis in the past). The wikis are autonomous on these
issues. If someone has reason why en.WS adminship rules are incompatible with the general
purposes of the project, then please share. Otherwise discuss in the proper forum which
is en.WS.
Birgitte SB