I agree this is an instance where chapters are very
useful. I didn't mean to imply that nothing should be
sent on to the Foundation. But if the individual
editors take care of the easy ones. And also gather a
list of the exact contact info of people who requested
to deal with someone official. Well providing that
list to one the commitees or something is a different
proposition than asking the Foundation to gather free
photos of celebrities for Wikipedia in general terms.
Birgitte SB
--- effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That is not fully true. I have tried myself in the
past to get photo's
sourcetexts and other material to extract from
organizations. It works
very difficult because they don't like to deal with
individuals. And
they don't get at all how the wikimedia-projects
work. They feel an
urgent need to speak with a formal organization,
even if that does not
matter at the end. If you want to get photo's on a
large scale, you
need to be able to say: "Hi, I'm xxx from the
yyy-organization, and I
am here to talk with you". It should not be a
problem to mention as
well that you are not allowed to make any agreements
on behalf of that
organization.
Such an organization does not have to be per se the
Wikimedia
Foundation Inc., but can also be a local chapter. As
long as you can
tell them *somehow* that you are associated with
such an organization.
You need that to enter the conversation. If they are
going to release
images in the free domains, you don't ahve to make
up contracts, sign
stuff or someting like that, so it should not be a
big deal.
Of course the foundation-people have already a lot
of work to do. But
it should be possible to get more people in
semi-formal positions,
right? theoretically we could make up an officer for
obtaining open
content and material for the projects. The officer
does not have to
have any "power", abilities or something like that,
just the name does
already do a really good job. Maybe something to
think about?
Greetings, Lodewijk
2006/8/26, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com>om>:
I suggest you work on getting these photos as
individual editors. After all "The Foundation"
consists of around a dozen people and there are
many
thousands of individual editors. I imagine at
least
three dozens of those editors are particulary
interested in these pictures. While at the same
time
the people that make up "The
Foundation" propably
feel
as if they each have three dozen priority tasks
to
do
already. Anr I do not believe this project would
be a
priority by Foundation standards. So
practically
speaking you are *not* more likely to succeed in
obtaining photos if it is left up to "The
Foundation".
Birgitte SB
--- James Hare <messedrocker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Generally speaking, I am a weak defender of the
use
> of copyrighted pictures
> of living people (except when there's a freebie
> available) because I don't
> think they have the time to have a picture of
> themselves taken so it can be
> used on Wikipedia. (Don't hit me back with
semantics
> -- I know it would be
> usable for more than Wikipedia.)
>
> However, I do believe we should be persuing an
> active effort to obtain
> free-use photographs of living people wherever
> possible. I'm talking about
> an effort at the Foundation level.
>
> On 8/25/06, Garion96 <garion96(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/9/06, Garion96 <garion96(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Regarding Jimmy Wales's comment here
> > >
concerning fair use.
> > >
> > > To quote "In general, ordinary publicity
photos
> of celebrities should
> > not
> > > be used in Wikipedia unless they are
released
> under a free license. We
> > are
> > > powerful enough now that we can insist on
this,
> and get it, from just
> > about
> > > any celebrity, or we can get a free photo in
a
> number of different ways.
> > > Using fair use in such cases discourages us
from
> creatively looking for
> > a
> > > way to enlarge the commons."
> > >
> > > Would it be a good idea if the foundation
would
> ask for 'free' images
> > from
> > > big record companies (like Sony music
> entertainment), actor agencies
> > etc. I
> > > know any editor can do this, but it would
> definitely have a greater
> > > chance of success if it is coming from the
> foundation.
> > >
> > > Garion96
> > >
> >
> > Anymore comments on this? Ixnays, supports and
the
> like? :)
> >
> > Garion
> >
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