While I agree with people that it's an uncommon and exclusionary phrase (and a confusing one!) it seems like Moushira fully acknowledges this and is going to work harder on this sort of problem in the future, for which I laud her.
If we want to have a general conversation about language choice at the WMF, broadly-construed, it seems like it would be best to kick off a new thread to avoid the appearance of a pileon.
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Derek V.Giroulle derekvgiroulle@wikimedia.be wrote:
Hello everyone ,
I agree with Fae and Craig, It's foreign jargon especially in this context , and on top of that jargon form a professional background where the term has been misused (imho) It has in my jargon the connotation of obsessively recurring idea , like a depressed patient always coming back to ideas of suicide : the suicidal ideation It would be the only place where i would allow fosuch reductive jargon because it has precise meaning i wouls never associate it with idea generation or brainstorming what is wrong with using those words as craig indicated : cringe worthy (business) jargon the mere fact that product design (business ing general) is stealing a word form other jargon show a lack of creativity of innovation
I would like to call on the communications dept to start - and i can just picture someone for that task - a campaign at WMF to ban jargon "simply says it better"
derek
On 16-03-16 04:39, Craig Franklin wrote:
Hi Moushira,
The problem when you use jargon like "ideation" in this context is that you're essentially excluding anyone who isn't familiar with the particular terminology used in the field. Especially so when there are plenty of plain-English alternatives that can be used in its place. Note that there is a whole bunch of thought from experts that that word in particular is a particularly obnoxious piece of jargon:
- http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/26/pf/corporate-jargon/
- https://hbr.org/2008/08/why-jargon-feeds-on-lazy-minds.html
http://www.lifed.com/10-cringeworthy-business-jargon-examples-that-should-be...
It's hardly the worst example I've seen out of the WMF, but while we're on the topic it should be pointed out. Just because it's used elsewhere, it doesn't mean that the WMF has to fall into the same trap.
Cheers, Craig
On 16 March 2016 at 10:07, Moushira Elamrawy melamrawy@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Fae,
Ideation phase [0], is a term widely used in product and design context. Now, I see your point around how volunteers who are not related to these fields, might not be familiar with it. Possibly something like, idea generation, or brainstorming could have replaced it.
I am not sure though if the factors that you have listed are relevant; I think it is a matter of using a word in a certain context where it actually fits, without realizing how a broader audience would perceive it.
In any case, thanks for the note :-)
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideation_%28creative_process%29
Moushira
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 March 2016 at 22:33, Moushira Elamrawy melamrawy@wikimedia.org wrote: ...
The reading team is launching an experiment that supports early
engagement
in ideation phase, with a wide variety of users.
...
Hi, sorry to target your email with a more general observation, however there seems to be a lot of odd jargon in Wikimedia announcements over the last few months. It would be great to see more 'official' emails aimed at volunteers, written in plain and grammatically complete English. Phrases like "ideation phase" may be frequently used during meetings at the Wikimedia Foundation offices, but are unlikely to be heard in real life by volunteer contributors, and are unlikely to be easily understood outside of corporate America, especially by those without English as their first language.
Sorry again about picking at your announcement rather than any other, it just stood out today.
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