On 15 feb. 2012, at 18:54, Béria Lima wrote:
Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and
we can discuss. I will
not put my faith in another
"great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded" Committe.
Ok, in that case, just wait until we have all solved this without you...
When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of how
it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will
have we can talk.
Ok, it might be too late for you to influence it at that point
Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations. We
can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we have
the data.
Lets all come up with the best solution, we will refine it over de coming years and send
you the data around 2015 :)
... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any
meaningless talk.
_____
I hate to say this: but you are doing quite well on the meaningless talk... (counting all
your contributions to this topic on both internal and foundation).
Yes: I am being confrontational (which I almost never am). EIther help think of something
that will make this work or stop repeating that it will never work (because I get it, I
really heard you the first X times)
Jan-Bart
*Béria Lima*
*
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede <jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:
this would be called: too much drama
There is no life and death situation for "the chapters here". See my
earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization...
Secondly: When faced with a life or death situation, most people try to
trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: "I am going to die" for
weeks on end.
In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try to
think in opportunities rather that not think at all.
Jan-Bart
On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote:
Serious that you can't see the good side in
ask the chapters, Bishakha?
You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least choose
the way we are going to die?
_____
*Béria Lima*
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl
>> wrote:
>
>> 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
>>> It is clear to me that there is a close link between the
>> fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of
>> "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we
>>
>> Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came
>> out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF
>> board is taking up these discussions and opens them again.
>>
>> How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a
>> certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)?
>
>
> Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range of
> opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement.
>
> Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally
sceptical
of
> extending the deadline. (I'm not
convinced we will actually get more
> discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history
of MR
since
2010 July, when it began.
So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of
discussion.
Best
Bishakha
> Then we would have a more
> substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a
> mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
>
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