Hi Farhad,
It is very easily understood by the so called Brazilian scenario:
Step 1 - AffCom recognizes a chapter style UG, with geographic focus
Step 2 - Dissidents from first group start warring first UG while
attempting to form a second UG, clone of the first UG
Step 3 - AffCom recognizes second UG
Step 4 - Conflict between UGs dramatically increases with time, spreading
into the Wikimedia projects
Step 5 - AffCom dissolves both UGs
Current status: No recognized Wikimedia community in the country
My opinion: Terrible disservice by AffCom to the Wikimedia Movement.
Best,
Paulo
Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin <frhd(a)yandex.com> escreveu no dia
sexta, 15/02/2019 à(s) 10:59:
Dear Kiril, Philip and colleagues,
Please explain the nature of reasons that cause trouble in having multiple
Wikimedia affiliates in the area, as this seems to be context specific.
It's possible that our context in Russia is very different, which is why
we are actually welcoming creation of new UGs throughout the country, both
territorially and thematically oriented ones (on top of the Wikimedia
Russia national chapter).
Should you give more reasons why this seems causing conflict, I might.
Over here we are quite happy with existing collaboration at all levels and
are even looking forward to developing a mechanism to speed up their
formation throughout the country - namely
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Languages_of_Russia_Community_Use…
Myself and other representatives of Wikimedia Russia discussed this in
detail and welcomed by AffCom secretary during Wikimania 2017
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frhdkazan/Wikimania2017#Aug.12 And
in the framework of
https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Smart_region
initiative, I will eventually proceed to registering a Tatarstan-oriented
thematic multilingual UG, on top of recently registered
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_of_Tatar_language_User_…
& Wikimedia Russia, in both of which I am currently a member.
regards,
farhad
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14.02.2019, 03:25, "Kiril Simeonovski" <kiril.simeonovski(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi Paulo,
Camelia's paragraph that you referred to tells a story that is exactly
the
opposite of what the Affiliations Committee is
doing in practice. The
so-called 'Brazilian scenario' emerged in Macedonia when, in 2016, the
committee decided to recognise a second user group on the same territory
without consulting the existing one. This has eventually developed into a
problem regarding the overlap in the scope of the two user groups and the
resolution was normally sought from the people (more importantly
volunteers) who were not willing this to happen. It should be also noted
that Macedonia is a country with only 2 million inhabitants unlike
Brazil's
over 200 million and this has been mentioned
numerous times by different
people in the movement to refer to the severity of the problem.
My opinion is that the Affiliations Committee has no vision on the future
of the Wikimedia movement and their main efficiency indicator is the
number
of user groups they recognise with no care about
the consequencies of the
apparent wrongdoing. They managed to bring the tally to over 100 user
groups and the Wikimedia Foundation even got engaged to celebrate this
achievement, while they did not give a damn about the problems that they
have posed with their light-minded routine. Moreover, when you approach
them with some relevant questions, they simply brush off and respond
with a
months-long delay.
In conclusion, the Affiliations Committee is artificially creating
problems
as a result of their recognition policy and is
seeking resolution from
volunteers that were not consulted at all about the potential
consequencies. This is a waste of volunteer time and efforts for
something
that could have easily been prevented.
Unfortunately, the Wikimedia
Foundation and some other voices in the movement contribute to this
misery
and it is highly unprobable that any complaint to
any one in the movement
would pay off.
Best regards,
Kiril
On сре., 13 фев. 2019 г. at 16:13 Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> camelia boban <camelia.boban(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia terça,
12/02/2019
> à(s) 11:18:
>
> > (...)
> > In line with the philosophy of the inclusion of the movement, AffCom
has
> > acted as it always does when it receives
affiliation requests: it
> assesses
> > the territorial overlap and the declared purpose of the requests with
> > others affiliates present in the territory, contacting the already
> > recognized affiliates to hear from them about any concerns, using the
> > experience and knowledge on the territory of each of its members.
> >
>
> I suppose this was not in effect back in 2015, when Wiki Education
Brazil
> was approved, as neither the existing
affiliate in Brazil - UG
Wikimedia
> in Brazil -, nor Wikimedia Portugal, have
been consulted about it, even
> when it totally overlapped with the territory of the existing
affiliate in
> Brazil, and was announced by AffCom as having
a Lusophone target,
therefore
> interfering in Portugal as well. Furthermore,
at the date it was
approved,
> Wiki Education Brazil was already in open
conflict with the existing
> affiliate in Brazil, which makes the approval decision by AffCom
absolutely
> incomprehensible.
>
> Actually, I really fail to understand why the candidatures to AffCom
> continue allowed to be proposed in absolute secrecy, leaving any
problems
> caused by their approvals to be dealt with by
the community after the
> problem is already installed. Does not seem a very clever way of
acting.
Best,
Paulo - DarwIn
Wikimedia Portugal
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