It is rather unfortunate that we went ahead with things like "Wikipedia
Zero" without objection. It rather undermines our moral authority to demand
net neutrality, and now that's really needed. Someone could easily say "But
you support non-neutral schemes when it benefits you!", and not be far
wrong.
Todd
On Nov 26, 2017 2:49 AM, "Vi to" <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have to rely upon my knowledge of plans in EU, I may
be wrong with other
"rich Countries", if so please make me aware of.
Time-based tariffs are in "rich countries" are almost out of business. Also
data, cheaper data plans currently includes enough data to make surfing WMF
sites impact very few upon overall consumption. How can you tell "who" is
eligible for WP0? By "who" I mean which countries/places, telco users, etc.
A line between "rich" and "poor" countries is "easy" to
draw, others
aren't.
Making zero-carrier a default for all of the World would make me drop my
objections. But we firstly need to find a safe and cheap (in terms of
efforts) way to stop abuses, though most of abuses come from Countries
where data traffic is really expensive.
Finally a question: do we have reports about WP0? I mean, traffic, number
of users served, pages delivered, costs?
Vito
2017-11-26 4:32 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hoi,
While the USA is considered a developed country, the people in the USA
who
have least to spend are probably as deserving of
zero rated Wikimedia
service as many of the people who do get Wikipedia Zero elsewhere. The
article indicates that our mission is to bring information to people and
that is no different in the USA. With Wikipedia and its sister projects
considered as a way to bring quality, neutral point of view information,
it
would even serve as a means to combat the
misinformation that will
benefit
from zero rating of information.
Zero rating is bad in so many ways but your argument does only say that
it
was originally intended for developed countries.
When there is a benefit
to
our readers I only see upsides in promoting the
use of Wikimedia content
in
this way and no reason not to have Wikimedia Zero
in the USA.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 26 November 2017 at 03:56, Mz7 <mz7.wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> The relationship between net neutrality and the Wikimedia Foundation
has
been
described as “complicated” – see [1]. Considering the that the
Wikimedia Foundation has a zero-rating program of its own (see [2][3]),
I’m
> not exactly sure how much this would affect Wikimedia, whether
positively
> or negatively. On the one hand, we could
take advantage of the change
by
expanding
Wikipedia Zero into the United States. On the other hand,
that’s
probably not a good idea because the program is
designed to promote
access
to free knowledge in developing countries, where
access to the Internet
may
be prohibitively expensive. In a developed
country such as the United
States, that’s not really a prioritized issue.
Mz7
[1]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/
11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero
[3]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero
--
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mz7
> On Nov 24, 2017, at 5:06 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hoi,
> > With the demise of net neutrality in the USA, have their been
> consideration
> > for the impact it may have for the services provided by the Wikimedia
> > Foundation?
> >
> > We are reliant on servers in the USA, as the quality of the service
in
> the
> > USA is no longer a given, what are the risks?
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
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