I spent the last twenty minutes writing that mail in
English and now you
say it is irrelevant? Boo...
(by the way, in my last mail I was talking more general about the
movement, not only about the FDC)
2012/11/16 Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>
Also, the fact that we're not native speakers is irrelevant - all of us
have experience in writing longer pieces, most of us have experience with
NGO evaluation, finance, or management, and handling documents related to
it. What takes much more time that actual writing down is agreeing on the
message to the letter.
One thing that I'm really proud of is that we have been able to work
relying on the consensus principle, and many varied perspectives and
different angles of analysis (including e.g. areas where we sought
alternatives to the analyses provided by FDC staff and created our own
models and simulations) came down to a recommendation we all agreed that
we
are fine with.
I don't think it is realistic now to expect that we will be able to
provide
detailed feedback for each of the entities, also because of the fact that
we treat reaching a consensus very seriously. We have been writing and
rewriting the recommendation you have seen for quite a while, to make sure
that it reflects our consensus fully, and it takes time.
However, I hear your feedback and all of us at the FDC will think how to
make sure that the whole process, and the amount of work and discussions,
is more reflected in the final outcome of a recommendation. We definitely
do not want to be a professional blackbox, and we've been really making
efforts to make the application and project discussion transparent and
collaborative (and we do hope it will be even more so, also from the
chapters' side).
best,
Dariusz
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Osmar Valdebenito
<osmar(a)wikimediachile.cl>wrote;wrote:
I agree that better and much more detailed
reports would be great. I
would
love to read what projects the FDC agrees with,
which should change and
so
on. But guys, the FDC is a group of volunteers
with not enough time and
where few are native English speakers able to write long pages. I even
consider that the report is long enough, probably not about each
chapter,
but about the process as a whole.
Yes, it would be great to have a lot of details and I haven't seen any
problems by the FDC to provide them as long as you ask them but you
can't
expect them to do all that extra work 'for
free'.
Osmar Valdebenito G.
2012/11/16 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
I was also expecting a much more detailed report.
I remember having a
discussion with Anasuya about the timetable and I pointed out that she
hadn't scheduled enough time for writing up the report. If she was
thinking of a report like this one, then I can see why we disagreed. I
thought a lot more time was needed because I was expecting a much more
detailed report (about one side of A4 per application, perhaps).
Report writing is something we are, as a movement, very bad at. A well
written report can be read in isolation (with references to other
documents for more detail if it is desired, but essential details
should be in the report itself). It takes longer to write, certainly,
but it takes a lot less time to read and digest, so overall a lot of
time is saved by writing good reports.
It's something that comes up annually with regards to Wikimania - we
never get a decent report from the organisers. I also see it on a
regular basis with Wikimedia UK - someone brings a subject to a board
meeting for discussion without having produced a proper report on it,
so the discussion is uninformed, unstructured and nobody knows what it
is actually meant to achieve.
Perhaps we could organise some reporting writing training for people,
although I think the real problem is convincing people that it is
worth doing properly.
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