Since the process has decided its not hearing that the community doesnt want the change why continue to pretend the communities input or interest in the project is even wanted.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 17:25, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
This is a reply Shamir, but it is more a reply to the process and Wikimedia Foundation.
Reading [1] my immediate thought is that whoever wrote it is more focused on reputing the core finding than respecting the outcome. It is a reaction to the statement “We do not know what the Wikimedia Foundation’s new name would be, only that it would utilize Wikipedia not Wikimedia.” and 91% says “no”. Still the process continues as nothing has happen. When 91% opposes a change in volunteer organization you stop and listen, this is an earthquake.
I opposed the name change, even if I don't really agree with the RFC, but what happen later I find perhaps more troublesome. This shows a real lack of understanding of why people objected to the idea. People have said no to this several times now, and the process continues like nothing has happen. Someone must clarify what this is, and who is behind it, and why, because as it is now the chance of onboarding the communities are virtually zero.
As it is now I would say call it a failure, and make a full halt.
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
John Erling Blad /jeblad
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:49 AM Samir Elsharbaty < selsharbaty@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi, the Brand team has been watching the RfC and has written a summary about it [1] that was shared both in the RfC [2] and the project page [3] in Meta. The team has integrated the feedback of the RfC in the
development
process, just as we did with the activities organized by the project itself.
The RfC is covered in the main project page as well as in the FAQ [4].
The
RfC has been a recurrent topic of discussion in the Brand project talk
page
[5], where we are answering questions and discussing topics whenever they are posted. We recommend you to have a look at these updates before
making
further conclusions here.
The RfC is about the use of the word “Wikipedia” in the name of the Foundation, and by extension the names of affiliates were discussed as well. The project team has clarified that many options for a naming convention are being explored. While having Wikipedia as a central
concept
is a project requirement, It is very unlikely that any naming convention proposal will be based on a simple substitution of the word "Wikimedia" with the word "Wikipedia". Brand systems offer many more possibilities.
Another important point to clarify is that the proposals for naming conventions haven’t been defined yet. According to the project timeline [6], several proposals for a naming convention will be shared with the communities for feedback in May, at the earliest. At the end of this review, one proposal will be selected and refined. You can check the timeline to learn about further phases with public reviews before the
full
proposal for a brand system is presented to the Wikimedia Foundation leadership and the Board.
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundat...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_mo...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:12 AM David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. Who's the person telling Samir to post this stuff, which comes across as aggressively ignoring all feedback to date? Could we have a word with them here?
- d.
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 14:12, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
When you speak for someone who is hard of listening, it is an
occupational hazard that you will be shouted at occasionally by those
whose
voices are being ignored. It is not necessarily anything personal, just part of the heat in the kitchen.
Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org]
On
Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:28 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
In all honesty, this should not have been directed at Samir. I do not
think
he has the authority to stop the process. And whoever has probably
spends
more time in Twitter that in Wikimedia projects.
Best Yaroslav
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:12 AM Tito Dutta trulytito@gmail.com
wrote:
There is something called [[WP:IDHT,]] i.e. I didn't hear that. No matter how many times, how many people (90% in the RFC) speak, I
just
didn't hear that. Kind regards, (Comment in personal capacity)
Thanks
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 00:15, Samir Elsharbaty <
selsharbaty@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi All,
We wanted to follow up with a brief update on the project
timeline
and
share an invitation to join an event this month.
We know there continues to be so much uncertainty in the world,
so
we are
slowing down the process of the project. Big changes are
happening
to all
of us these days. We want to make sure that we respect the time
and
priorities of the project collaborators. This means updating the
project
timeline approach to have more flexibility for participants and
smaller
time commitments [1], revising the project schedule month by
month
and
keeping the Brand Network [2] and other participants informed on
a
more
regular basis with any updates and changes. The naming
discussions
planned
for April are now pushed to May, at the earliest. Design
proposals
are
likewise shifted +4 weeks.
But we do have things to share:
*This month: live brand concept presentation!*
To honor, celebrate, and conclude the work around the concepts
referred
to
in Essie’s email above [3], Snohetta and the Brand Project team
will
present the Unified Concept LIVE on 16 April, 15:00 - 16:00 GMT.
Snøhetta
will explain how they used the ideas, feedback and conceptual
models
from
the workshops and online exercises to arrive at a final, unified
concept.
This unified concept will be the foundation for the upcoming
work
around
the naming conventions, visual decisions, and the overall design
system.
The session will also be recorded and made available for viewing
after.
You
can join us using these links. [4] Note: this is not a
presentation
of a
proposal for a naming convention or design.
Thank you!
Samir and the brand project team
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand_Network
[3] https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/
[4] Join via Zoom:
https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/769565325
Steam via Youtube Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com
wrote:
> The article itself is spammy brochure-style nonsense, and this
is
even
> after some cleanup. Editorial eyes welcomed. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_(company)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_%28company%29
> > > - d. > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 23:16, Samir Elsharbaty > selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the
concerns
and > > questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have
now
added
> an > > FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details
about
the
block > > and what is being done. The project team is in the process of
updating
> the > > project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add
those
pages
to > > your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information. > > > > > > Best, > > > > Samir > > > > [1] https://w.wiki/LEF > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator > > > > Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra <
gnangarra@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > > > This does have feeling of a company creating a financial
relationship
> with > > > the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban
thats
been > > > reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with many
users
who
been > > > blocked and help them become productive contributors but
before
they
> start > > > making recommendation or decisions about who we are there
needs to
be
> > > something done to get them back to good standing with the
community
> first > > > untiil thats taken place. It's like asking the fox to
rebuild
the
> hen > > > house, I just dont see how I could support anything they
recommend.
> > > > > > After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been
pumped
into
the
> 2030 > > > strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that
should
have > > > been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its comprehensible > not > > > to have known or explored that before deciding where, how,
why
we
will > be > > > doing anything for the next 10 years. > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard <
dgerard@gmail.com>
wrote: > > > > > > > Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an > unwillingness > > > > to work with Wikipedia properly: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archiv...
> > > > > > > > > > > > - d. > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood > > > > peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have
seen so
> far, it > > > > looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework
on
how we
> > > operate, > > > > or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care,
and
plan
to
> spin > > > > their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages
with
lots
of
> buzz, > > > > little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid.
Maybe
I am
> wrong, > > > and > > > > they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the
outside?
> Block > > > > evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the community. > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto: wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] > On > > > > Behalf Of Pine W > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we
as a
movement? > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed personally > at > > > > > you, Essie. > > > > > > > > > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta
deserved
the
> > > > > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good
steward
of
> resources > > > > > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that
this
project
> is a > > > > > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important
component
of
the
> > > > > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF
rebranding
> itself as > > > > > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the
communities
and > > > > > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance
problems,
> and > > > > > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I
don't
think
> that > > > > > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't
involve
Snøhetta > > > > > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia,
and
I've
> been > > > > > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during
the
past
few > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with
this
> program > > > > > in its current form. > > > > > > > > > > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and
spending
> associated > > > > > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's
view
on
> whether > > > > > this project should continue. If the community wants a
branding
> > > > > project to continue, I would let the community decide
on
the
> project's > > > > > parameters and budget, and what if any consultant
should
be
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