Any way one tries to obtain a representative sample of something, it's
never going to be totally representative. We are a massive, massive
community, and I'm really not sure direct democracy works in this instance.
This isn't a problem with Wikimania selection but rather with politics.
What would be best: A group of users selecting locations for an annual
conference, a jury that is voted in, or just putting the conference
locations up for a general vote among the community? I for one would rather
a small collection of people who have experience with Wikimania, and what
makes for a good conference, make the final call—elected or otherwise.
I feel this conversation is getting somewhat tangled at this point.
Joe
On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 at 15:48 MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Are you familiar with Board elections? Those where
seats are elected by the
community??
Am 07.10.2015 16:41 schrieb "Richard Symonds" <
richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk>gt;:
True, but not everyone reads the VP on each
project: take Wikidata for
example. There are a fair few people who don't read it at all! A mass
message would be better, an email or banner to people better still - but
it
depends on who exactly you want the opinion of!
"Community" is a big term
:-)
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On 7 October 2015 at 15:35, Steinsplitter Wiki <
steinsplitter-wiki(a)live.com>
wrote:
You can post on VP that there is such a poll on
:m:
Common sense.
> From: richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk
> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:39:11 +0100
> To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
Signpost
> >
> > Steinsplitter, with respect (and I mean that!), I don't think a poll
on
> meta
would be enough. For something this big, either we get the views
of
> > the community as a whole - including those who don't read meta - or
we
> come
> > up with another way (eg a committee). A small poll on meta would not
be
>
representative enough.
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered
Charity No.1144513.
Registered
> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London
EC2A
4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
(who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
control
over
Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 7 October 2015 at 12:04, Steinsplitter Wiki <
steinsplitter-wiki(a)live.com>
wrote:
> A small poll on meta would be enough.
>
> > From: josephfoxwiki(a)gmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:14:59 +0000
> > To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
Signpost
> > >
> > > If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I
do.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com
wrote:
> >
> > > Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000
people?
> > > > Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" <
josephfoxwiki(a)gmail.com
:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > > > steinsplitter-wiki(a)live.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > To be honest: I am not surprised at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized.
They no
> > > > longer
> > > > > care about the community, even if there is huge community
consensus
> > > > about
> > > > > > something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask
the
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While I agree it's important to sort things with the
community
> (since
> > > > > that
> > > > > > is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously
suggesting
that
> > it's
> > > > > easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of
people
> > rather
> > > > > than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or
otherwise?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am disappointed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400
> > > > > > > > From: nawrich(a)gmail.com
> > > > > > > > To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal -
scooped
by
> >
Signpost
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by
revealing
that
> > > Montreal
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in
a
secret
> >
process
> > > > that
> > > > > > > completed this past August. [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It seems like the community could have been looped
into
this
new
> > > method
> > > > > > before it was a done deal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Nathan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_…
> > > > > >
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