Any way one tries to obtain a representative sample of something, it's never going to be totally representative. We are a massive, massive community, and I'm really not sure direct democracy works in this instance. This isn't a problem with Wikimania selection but rather with politics.
What would be best: A group of users selecting locations for an annual conference, a jury that is voted in, or just putting the conference locations up for a general vote among the community? I for one would rather a small collection of people who have experience with Wikimania, and what makes for a good conference, make the final call—elected or otherwise.
I feel this conversation is getting somewhat tangled at this point.
Joe
On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 at 15:48 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Are you familiar with Board elections? Those where seats are elected by the community?? Am 07.10.2015 16:41 schrieb "Richard Symonds" < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk>:
True, but not everyone reads the VP on each project: take Wikidata for example. There are a fair few people who don't read it at all! A mass message would be better, an email or banner to people better still - but
it
depends on who exactly you want the opinion of! "Community" is a big term :-)
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On 7 October 2015 at 15:35, Steinsplitter Wiki < steinsplitter-wiki@live.com> wrote:
You can post on VP that there is such a poll on :m:
Common sense.
From: richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:39:11 +0100 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
Signpost
Steinsplitter, with respect (and I mean that!), I don't think a poll
on
meta would be enough. For something this big, either we get the views
of
the community as a whole - including those who don't read meta - or
we
come
up with another way (eg a committee). A small poll on meta would not
be
representative enough.
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and
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Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London
EC2A
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On 7 October 2015 at 12:04, Steinsplitter Wiki <
steinsplitter-wiki@live.com>
wrote:
A small poll on meta would be enough.
From: josephfoxwiki@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:14:59 +0000 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
Signpost
If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I
do.
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com
wrote:
> Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000
people?
> Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" <
josephfoxwiki@gmail.com
:
> > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki < > > steinsplitter-wiki@live.com> > > wrote: > > > > > To be honest: I am not surprised at all. > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized.
They no
> > longer > > > care about the community, even if there is huge community
consensus
> about > > > something. > > > > > > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask
the
> > community. > > > > > > > While I agree it's important to sort things with the
community
(since
> that > > is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously
suggesting
that
it's
> > easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of
people
rather
> > than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or
otherwise?
> > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400 > > > > From: nawrich@gmail.com > > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped
by
Signpost
> > > > > > > > Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing
that
Montreal
> > has > > > > been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a
secret
process
> that > > > > completed this past August. [1] > > > > > > > > It seems like the community could have been looped into
this
new
> method > > > > before it was a done deal. > > > > > > > > ~Nathan > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_a...
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