On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
I am totally with Benjamin on this.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016, Oliver Keyes ironholds@gmail.com wrote:
"sorely under-represented perspective" or not, that kind of attitude is of course going to piss people off. And it may be that denying the value of peoples' experiences or dismissing their misery is not, in fact, what you mean to be communicating. But it is how it's coming out. For me, at least, that's why I find your emails frustrating.
That is an odd way to dismiss any counter-argument - it is going to piss you or others off? You are the only staff member so far objecting to any dissenting view, existentially. I'm sure you would prefer no dissent should exist at all because you are having a miserable time, just 100 people piling on one?
I see the conversation heavily leaning in one direction - against Lila. She is overwhelmingly being blamed, accused and rebutted by just about every member on this list - in unofficial and official channels. This includes the staff, community members and even past board members. Anything short of calling her literally the worst or comparison her to lady hitler will not be moving things any further than they are.
A few staff members like Brion, expressed dissent to Lila's assertion, but wonderfully well. They offered counter-arguments, and provided context we all needed. Dissent is necessary, it moves the conversation along. You are in essence doing what your senior management was accused of, silencing criticism internally because you are having a rough time. I'm sure it doesn't feel nice.
Well, no. They're entirely different things. I'm happy to turn that into a longer discussion if you're genuinely interested in what I see as the difference, but I appreciate that may not be the case.
Regards Theo
PS Anthony, you shouldn't have sent a private email to the list. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe