There may be a way to do it on another project designed for the purpose, but that cannot be English Wikipedia, and I doubt that any project that allows anonymous editing could manage it credibly. Oral tradition would at least have to be sourced to the teller, and would have to be recorded by a reliable and identified recorder, who can be held responsible for their due diligence. This would not be an easy thing for a crowdsourced project, but anything less would be like a magnet for everything we don't want. Cheers, Peter
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I do not have a perfect solution to introduce oral traditions in Wikipedia today, but I’m convince that we need to find a way to do it.
Just to give you an illustration:
Today ,a significative amount of African topics in the Wikipedia in French rely only on the work of only few French historian. Without saying they are not honest, I find difficult to consider that there words have really so more value than the words of the Ancient of the African tribes.
We know for sure than oral tradition will include bias, but do not forget that the « traditional western historian work » are not exempt of bias too.
Charles
PS: IMHO, I find offensive the way you define oral traditions, but it may be caused by a misconception from my part.
These are the definition I use for urban legend and oral tradition, very different each other I think. urban https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban#English legend https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legend#English (plural urban legends https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban_legends#English) A widely circulated story https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/story that is untrue https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/untrue or apocryphal https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apocryphal, often having elements of humour https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humour or horror https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/horror. oral https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral#English tradition https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tradition#English (countable https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#countable and uncountable https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable, plural oral traditions https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral_traditions#English) Cultural https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/culture material transmitted https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transmit orally from one generation https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/generation to another.
Le 4 oct. 2017 à 21:11, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com a écrit :
You might be right, and the goal is indeed to differentiate between them. I just do not see how it could be implemented in practice. A legend is a legend, be it urban or not.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Chandres Wikipedia chandres.wp@gmail.com wrote:
to Wikipedia. They might still be a separate WMF project, which is likely to be problematic (since it is really difficult to differentiate between say folk tales and the oral traditions which state that Earth is flat and that all US presidents report to the Zionist Occupational Government),
but
For me, your definition of oral tradition is the one of « urban legend ». TO my understanding, oral tradition refer to culture where the History of the tribes/nation/people is transmit only by a spoken way and never put on paper. Am I wrong?
charles
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