There may be a way to do it on another project designed for the purpose, but that cannot
be English Wikipedia, and I doubt that any project that allows anonymous editing could
manage it credibly. Oral tradition would at least have to be sourced to the teller, and
would have to be recorded by a reliable and identified recorder, who can be held
responsible for their due diligence. This would not be an easy thing for a crowdsourced
project, but anything less would be like a magnet for everything we don't want.
Cheers,
Peter
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I do not have a perfect solution to introduce oral traditions in Wikipedia today, but I’m
convince that we need to find a way to do it.
Just to give you an illustration:
Today ,a significative amount of African topics in the Wikipedia in French rely only on
the work of only few French historian. Without saying they are not honest, I find
difficult to consider that there words have really so more value than the words of the
Ancient of the African tribes.
We know for sure than oral tradition will include bias, but do not forget that the «
traditional western historian work » are not exempt of bias too.
Charles
PS: IMHO, I find offensive the way you define oral traditions, but it may be caused by a
misconception from my part.
These are the definition I use for urban legend and oral tradition, very different each
other I think.
urban <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban#English> legend
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legend#English> (plural urban legends
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban_legends#English>)
A widely circulated story <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/story> that is untrue
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/untrue> or apocryphal
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apocryphal>, often having elements of humour
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humour> or horror
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/horror>.
oral <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral#English> tradition
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tradition#English> (countable
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#countable> and uncountable
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable>, plural oral
traditions <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral_traditions#English>)
Cultural <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/culture> material transmitted
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transmit> orally from one generation
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/generation> to another.
Le 4 oct. 2017 à 21:11, Yaroslav Blanter
<ymbalt(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
You might be right, and the goal is indeed to differentiate between
them. I just do not see how it could be implemented in practice. A
legend is a legend, be it urban or not.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Chandres Wikipedia
<chandres.wp(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
to Wikipedia. They might still be a separate WMF
project, which is
likely to be problematic (since it is really difficult to
differentiate between say folk tales and the oral traditions which
state that Earth is flat and that all US presidents report to the
Zionist Occupational Government),
but
For me, your definition of oral tradition is the one of « urban legend ».
TO my understanding, oral tradition refer to culture where the
History of the tribes/nation/people is transmit only by a spoken way
and never put on paper. Am I wrong?
charles
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