Ray Saintonge
wrote:
If communities are going to insist that a steward
desysop himself every
time he goes into a project to perform routine
anti-vandalism it's easy
to see that it is more objectionable that they
perform acts
automatically without ever logging themselves in.
Perhaps it would be
preferable that once a steward has properly given
himself sysop rights
he retain those rights unless there is a specific
objection from the
community. That would be far more acceptable than
any kind of automated
process.
I'd be fine with that too, but it's really a moot
point. This still requires
a steward (or team of them) to go to each wiki
individually to make the
blocks - hardly the most efficient method. This
proposed mechanism would
simply automate the process, saving time and
manpower. When dealing with a
large number of spambots, or a persistent cross-wiki
vandal [1], manpower is
often a prime concern.
Can we also try to remember that, as with the change
pagemove upon
autoconfirmed, we're talking mainly about wikis with
a community not able to
effectively fend off the spammers etc. I wrote [2]
at the time that Heller
would be proud of the requests to have wikis with no
community ask to opt-in
for such a measure; I think the same thing needs to
be said here.
Mike.lifeguard
[1]
As I said before [1], stewards should be allowed to
opt-in the wiki's with no community. Disscussions
only need to happen if there is an active community.
I also don't mind opt-out if everyone gets
comprehensible notification about the system and how
to opt-out.
The idea that people check the wiki's block logs on a
regular basis and would even know what such block
would signify if they saw them is unreasonable. The
only time people completely uniformed about this
system are going to discover it, is when they are
already experiencing a problem. And they will
speculate amoung themselves about what these blocks
mean and come up some strange bad faith ideas. And
once they are alll worked up about this, they will
confront the stewards with these bad faith
accusations. And it will be quite hard to explain
things to them at that time. Do none of you remember
all the other times we have been through situations
like this?
The recent messages on this thread show that those
responding to me are twisting what I say without even
considering the compromises I suggest. So I am done
commenting on this. Just don't pretend I was
suggesting something as foolish as a wiki with no
community come to a local consensus on opting in,
because I was not.
Birgitte SB
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