[Wikimedia-l] Enc: Re: Enc: Re: WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers

Hello Jane,

Moving forward with a positive discussion, we know that problems and we have some ideas in mind to try to fix that, improving the usage of the pictures on pt.wikipedia.

We was planning a photo exhibition since the end of WLE 2015 (including we requested budget for that).

Now our idea is to do it in a local library here in Rio de Janeiro and in parallel we will promote talks, trainning and edit-a-thon to improve and create articles related to both contests.

We are under negotiation with some local possible partners and with the managers of Biblioteca Parque http://bibliotecasparque.rj.gov.br/, including we are planning to do the commemoration of 15 Wikipedia's Aniversary there too.

Probably our photo exhibition will be exposed there from November to January, so we will have the photo exhibition running during the Wikipedia's aniversary in the better case scenario :-)

My ideia is to have a Wikimedia Brazilian Conference during 15-17 January, but we have a lot of issues to define and negotiate until there, my priority is to do a good photo exhibition.

Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br 21 99326-0558

---- Em Sáb, 31 Out 2015 14:51:38 -0200 Jane Darnell<jane023@gmail.com> escreveu ----

OK both of you Rodrigo's, please stop with the snarky emails directed at eachother. What you are doing is indeed not very productive as Gerard is pointing out. The problem as I see it is an old one. Fae's mail is definitely worth taking to another thread, because what has happened here in the reaction to contest results is really just a repetition of our perennial communication gap regarding Wikipedians and Wikimedia Commonists. At the end of the day, both Wikipedia and Commons want to increase quality content. The problem is how you measure this and what sort of incentives can you dream up to attract this. For Wikipedia, we want high quality text that satisfies WIkipedia policy, and for Commons, we want high quality images that satisfies Commons policy. Unfortunately in many cases these don't match and we have lots of highly active contributors who can do one but not the other, and very few who understand the difference. Personally I have uploaded many snapshots to Commons with the idea that "any picture is better than none", and I have seen lots of my less than mediocre images get reused whilest some of my best pictures are rarely used. No one can say for sure what will be a good image and what it should be used for. Once a poor image is uploaded, this might even be more of an incentive for someone else to take a better picture - who knows?

Certainly our current proposals for organizing and reporting on contests can be improved, and yes, we have lots of experience, but not many cross-cultural contacts who can parse all of the reports and make sound improvements. In the meantime, we do things the wikiway, which is everybody doing the best they can with the tools at hand. Let's try to remember that we are all still on the same team here!

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:

> Argentom, only to demonstrate how wrong and misinformed you are, the guy > you cited on your email is a very active contributor with more than 50.000 > edits on the main domain of pt.wikipedia and near 100.000 edits including > all domains. Thinking in personal privacy, it is not a good approach to > point here names and social media accounts, that is why I will not identify > the user name of this very important contributor of our movement. > > As you can read on the official announcement > http://www.wikimedia.org.br/wiki-loves-monuments-brasil-2015-vencedores.html > all the pictures uploaded for WLM was evaluated and filtered by teachers > and students of the University http://www.ucs.br/portais/curso164/ under > the coordination of the Prof. Edson Correa. All press releases and content > published and sent to our media partners was created and revised by the > teacher Prof. Dr. Marcio Gonçalves and students from a local university in > Rio de Janeiro. > > I know you're just trying to attack me personally, but what you are doing > is disqualifying all the efforts of all Wikimedia movement responsible for > devising and organizing competitions like the WLE and WLM around the world > and for that you have no contributions and much less support any group that > can give you legitimacy for this. > > I recommend to you to change your strategy and try to do something > positive for the Wikimedia Movement and for your life. > > Your votes against and all that hate speech will not take you anywhere. > > Kind regards > > Rodrigo Padula > Coordenador de Projetos > Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa > http://www.wikimedia.org.br > 21 99326-0558 > > > > > ---- Em Sáb, 31 Out 2015 00:26:50 -0200 Rodrigo Tetsuo > Argenton<rodrigo.argenton@gmail.com> escreveu ---- > > "success of WLE Brasil 2015" > > Success for whom? > > *For the Wikimedia Commons **it was totally **innocuous. * > > Less then 0,16% was a good quality image, including several snapshots > (mobile made), downsized images....; the retention probably will follow WLE > BR 2014 and goona be very close to 0. No work was developed in conjunction > with the WCommons, and could created a problem, people got paid with > thousands for bad photos, and volunteers there producing real content... > And this money, more then 30'000 USD, come from WMF for the WLE 2014/15 and > WLM in Brazil, and in the other hand, WP-en removed hundreds of people > getting paid for contribution, how it's different? Oh yeah, the money did > not came from donations... > > *For the Wikipedia it was barely nothing.* > > The volume of images used was very low, and even in the list of winners, a > lot of those images do not have any education purpose, or do not properly > illustrates the site. And very low involvement of the community, retention > was none. > > For the "off-line community" , :D... > > Were are this people? The other coordinator named in the website [1], are > not even close to be involved with the community, check his FB:[2], very > active, none WLE/WLM publications... Commons: [3], any help with this > contests. People listed in the WUG group did not signed by themselves[4]... > > And " including contributions from teachers and students..."??? > "educational > program."??? I think that "they" are hidden it in a very deep place, not > even "their" website have any clues fof that[5], or "their" Facebook [6], > Meta [7]... "Their" partners are not related to educational programmes [8], > most of them are related to photography, for obvious reasons. as far we can > see, "they" are just burn WMF money to make this contests (for ???)... > > *Two observation:* > > .ORG.BR are websites restricted to ONG registered in legal terms here in > Brazil, or they already have a legal association and are not telling to > AffCom, or they don't have that and is putting the Wikimedia name in > some scheme > circumventing laws... > > > *The scope of the group, which can be found on their application, is "to > support the participation of teachers, researchers and employees of several > national institutions that participate in the Education Program of > Wikimedia in Brazil, aiming to integrate the academic community to the > Wikimedia movement, creating a more friendly and responsive environment for > the development of projects, research, contests, events and other > activities." *[9] > > How this contests are related to this scope? > > > Again > > Success for whom? > > > Links: > > [1]http://www.wikimedia.org.br/sobre.html > [2]https://www.facebook.com/pedro.napolitanomendes > [3] > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=500&tagfilter=&a... > [4] > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_G... > [5]http://www.wikimedia.org.br/projetos > [6]https://www.facebook.com/grupowikimediabr > [7] > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Group... > [8]http://www.wikimedia.org.br/parceiros.html > [9] > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedia... > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 October 2015 at 20:42, Rodrigo Padula & > lt;rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> > wrote: > > > Hello my friends, > > > > After many years of Wiki Loves Monuments around the world, finally we > > organized an edition of that important photo contest in Brasil. > > > > Following the success of WLE Brasil 2015(supported by our fellows from > > Wikimedia Ukraine) and counting with a lot of support from Romaine we > > finally completed that task after years of procrastination. > > > > The WLM Brasil 2015 was organized by the Wikimedia Community Brazilian > > Group of Education and Research, including contributions from > teachers and > > students in a new approach for our educational program. > > > > Teachers and students from local universities supported us with > > marketing/communication and in the final process of pictures > filtering for > > the judges evaluation. > > > > You can see the final result of WLM Brasil and the winners at > > > http://www.wikimedia.org.br/wiki-loves-monuments-brasil-2015-vencedores.html > > > > Pictures uploaded: 4.443 > > Uploaders: 411 > > New users registered on Commons: 325 > > New users engagement: 79% > > Pictures user on Wikipedia: 86 (2%) > > > > Best regards > > > > Rodrigo Padula > > Coordenador de Projetos > > Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa > > http://www.wikimedia.org.br > > 21 99326-0558 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > -- > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > rodrigo.argenton@gmail.com > +55 11 979 718 884 > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>