A quick comment: there are some sympthoms the process is totally broken
there. Reasoning about sources works fine when the process works, it's
completely useless otherwise.
See Dalibor Bosits@hrwiki
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Permissions#Dalibor_Bosits@hrwiki>
for example.
Vito
Il giorno mer 28 nov 2018 alle ore 13:09 Dennis During <dcduring(a)gmail.com>
ha scritto:
My cellphone spellchecker substituted
"faith" for "fact". I was trying to
encourage the use of your approach.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 06:43 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
I take offence calling it a faith-based process. We have a database with
the citations of all Wikipedias. We have overriding principles that
include
the NPOV and what the role of functionaries is in
Wikimedia projects.
When
they are a faith, they are our faith.
My question to you is, why are you reluctant to start a process that will
bring down many hobby horses including yours and the ones in your
favourite
project. Why not start where we face an urgency?
An urgency that
undermines
Wikipedia as NPOV!
Thanks,
GerardM
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 00:31, Dennis During <dcduring(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Why not test-run the process on my favorite
project - or yours? We
should
> get started.
>
> I am skeptical of the quality of judgment without a foundation of
facts.
At
Wiktionary we have two main definition evaluation processes, one
dependent on citations to which interpretative judgment is applies. IMO
this process works very well. The other depends on opinion, votes,
supported by whatever facts or authority or bluster (my specialty)
advocates bring to bear. That process, though adequate, is not as
satisfactory.
Gerard Meijssen has suggested a faith-based process. If it is almost
ready
> to go, let it be validated and put to use.
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 16:45 Benjamin Lees <emufarmers(a)gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:06 AM Dennis During <dcduring(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter,
et
al
> > as
> > > the new press barons?
> >
> > All of our work on the projects necessarily involves making
judgments.
As a movement we have largely decided that editors on
individual
projects should be the ones to make those judgments. But in some
extreme cases, our judgment may be that we need different judges.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:03 PM Dennis During <dcduring(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > It is important that any wiki process be applied fairly. In this
case
> I
> > > think the Croatian wiki cannot be the first to have a new process
> > applied.
> >
> > I don't know whether this is the process we want. But if it is,
> > somebody's gotta go first.
> >
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