Re : This having been discussed, and my opinions being vigorously shot down
- well yes, both you and Mike are largely correct - which to my mind is
actually cause for concern for the sensibly minded - it's also my opinion
that there's many such folk out there - many of whom choose not to get
involved in discussions like this because of their unsavory nature (/me
waves at various correspondents ;-)
I believe that this is an example of principle overriding pragmatism in a
way that has great potential to cause the project harm - both in reputation
and utility. If you're reading this and are a bit confuddled about the
parameters of discussion in this area - here are some handy bullet points;
- Commons currently hosts many pictures, taken in a public place, without
the apparent permission of the subject, of various folk in various states of
undress (think topless women at the beach as the best example) - I think
this is inappropriate and disrespectful, though undoubtedly legal.
- Commons hosts pictures (such as the one linked to upthread) which seem
highly unlikely to me to be genuinely released under a free licence, with
the much more likely explanation that a n'eer do well has cheekily stolen a
pic from some website - I believe good faith is often exploited in this
regard.
- Finally - commons, and various other wikimedia projects contain an ever
growing number of sexually explicit images (people having sex with each
other, and their friends, in various ways) - it's the clear consensus of
this thread (in my view) that this is desirable, supported by the community,
and in fact not really worth talking about at all. I have seen no
substantial discussion of ways to ameliorate any issues this position may
bring up (Record keeping requirements, children's access to images etc.)
thas' all :-)
cheers,
Peter,
PM.
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:37 AM, David Moran <fordmadoxfraud(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
This one's been discussed ad nauseam already, and
I think the community's
discussions pretty unambiguously tend towards keep.
FMF
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Andre Engels <andreengels(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
My opinion on this is clear: Commons should
welcome both photographs
and pictures. Whether a project shows a picture or a photograph should
be the project's decision, not that of Commons. Some may prefer one,
others the other. Sexuality is in scope on Wikimedia projects, so its
images are in scope at Commons.
Andre
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:03 AM, private musings <thepmaccount(a)gmail.com
wrote:
g'day all,
There's an interesting deletion discussion taking place here;
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Sexuality_…
concerning an image of a woman with sperm on her neck. To my mind it's
very
> doubtful that this is in fact a freely licensed image, but regardless
of
my
> cynicism, the IP who nominated the image for deletion (the 5th time
it's
been
nominated, and the 4th time was by me, in December) raised the
possibility that we (both commons, wikipedia, and perhaps by extension
all
> wmf projects) might be better to opt for drawings rather than
photographs
of
> sexual activity?
>
> I'm sure many are familiar with my view that the foundation is an
acutely
irresponsible host in this area (I'm not a fan, for example, of the
pictures
> taken of topless women on beaches without their permission which
commons
> currently hosts) - but wonder what the
feeling is out there in regard
to
> freely licensed images of people having sex
- we've currently got quite
a
> few on commons, and it's likely to be a
growth area. There's a dirty
pun
in
there somewhere, but I can't be bothered to
make it......
cheers,
Peter
PM.
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