Gerard, Thanks for adding all of those statements to Wikidata! Thanks to you, I have been able to match up thousands of artists in Mix-n-Match! Like you, I am not afraid of a 1%-3% error margin, especially when tools like Mix-n-Match mean we can uncover such mistakes quickly and efficiently. Mix-n-Match is fast becoming a tool where large database owners like GLAMs can come pick up their data inconsistencies and learn from Wiki projects, instead of the other way around. ...and stop reading this email list before you've had a second cup of coffee.... Kudos, Jane
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, When specific categories of data do not make it in Wikidata like the "impact factor", it is not a problem. As much can be understood from my blogpost.
I may miss certain items as not being human. That is the exceptionto the rule. In the past weeks I have added tens of thousands of statements. I have in the past published many times about strategies of improving the quality of Wikidata. I have worked with people on implementing such strategies as well.
So what is your point ? Am I evil ?? If so, fine. When you have better strategies for adding statements to Wikidata speak up. Thanks, GerardM
On 12 December 2014 at 09:08, John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, This problem is not new. It is not as if the Commons community is not
aware
of this perception. The perception that there might be a situation
where
someone is sued is not necessary shared by lawyers. They have to make a living as well so they will sue when they are paid to do so.
When people complain that Commonists go to far in what they do and
their
only defence is "you are demotivating me" than that is exactly what
needs
to be done. They need to be demotivated to go berserk with their
misguided
interpretation of copyright. When some hotheads leave the building, it will lower the temperature and we can start to talk.
Commons is not the only project that serves the whole of our
communities.
Wikidata is another. I regularly find images for people that are not
moved
to Commons because Commons is not trusted. Now that pisses me off
terribly
and it sours my appreciation of Commons. As it is, Commons is not
trusted
and not discussing this only puts this discussion further back with
even
more ill feelings and even less appreciation for the people who do good work at Commons. They are ultimately the people who suffer the most.
And the same is said and done regarding Wikidata , which client projects are very skeptical about trusting to hold data. Wikidata also has its own copyright issues. If Wikipedia data is migrated to Wikidata, and it is determined that Wikidata violations database copyrights (whereas Wikipedia may not have), we have to migrate all the data back. Exactly the same as Commons. Yet you've been a proponent of Wikidata ignoring these database copyright issues.
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/03/wikipedia-and-impact-factor-of-na...
Wikidata also has quality control issues that will mean it is going to take a lot of work to clean up the data it contains in order to become reliable. e.g. in the last few days you've created items and labelled them as 'instance of human' , when they are not humans. :/
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q18615764&action=history https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q18601263&action=history
Your response when this exact same problem has been discussed several times is, if I can paraphrase, .. you do so many edits that you believe it is someone elses job to fix the small percentage of errors caused by your hyper-productivity. That works in theory in large wikis, but doesnt work so well when the vast majority of new Wikidata content is added by simplistic bots and humans doing similarly large batches of semi-automated edits.
-- John Vandenberg
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