I can say that in Italian Wikipedia, in many edit-a-thon that WikiDonne organized, in time we had often cases where the whole newbie's user page was deleted immediately, without even warning. Because inside was write for example "this is a test" or because the page was empty.
Needless to tell you the loss of those who participate in an event and in 5 minutes see the own user page deleted or sometimes even blocked. People who already enter with lead feet, because complexed by entering and editing in a community of perfectionists (as we are seen from the outside).
Someone asks for links to demonstrate what is said, but knows that this is hard work, it means remembering everything and looking for hundreds of discussions. One should simply remember or put the guideline of good faith into practice and simply trust. Paulo has right when says that sometimes *established communities of editors treat newbies as unwelcome invaders.*
This is not an accusation email to see who is the culprit, but rather a discussion to see what can be done to improve, since we have a very big problem of retention and loss of users.
Camelia
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Il giorno gio 20 feb 2020 alle ore 02:50 Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com ha scritto:
It would be nice to have a tool for long standing editors to clean up a newbies talk page for them, leave messages for the overeager templaters, and help them out / welcome them in untemolsted language.
Then a little ML could go a long way in guessing which newbies are in this situation and generating a queue for newbie-care. ~~~
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On Wed., Feb. 19, 2020, 4:35 p.m. Andy Mabbett, <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:
I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w as already recorded) and his view about an indent in his life.
Her six sequential edits - her first and only contribution to Wikipedia - totalled 1254 characters, and were conducted over the space of 30 minutes. They were no the best quality, lacking sources, but were benign, and exactly what one might expect an untutored novice to do as a first change.
As well as being reverted, she now has three templates on her talk page; two warning her of a CoI, and sandwiching one notifying her of a discussion about her on the COI noticeboard. These total 4094 characters or 665 words.
How do other projects deal with such cases?
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