Le 2013-04-18 14:52, Thomas Morton a écrit :
Or, you could click a button.
Why is making something easy a problem?
Because easiness is not our **only** concern. Making things easier is
great, losing neutrality for the sake of convenience and ease-of-use, to
my mind it is not a good trade.
Also as it appears that the link that I make between that and ads is
only obvious to me, to me they are related by the neutrality topic. As
other said probably in a better way than I am currently able to do, if
you chose to include some third party support, this may lead to losing
neutrality. If the foundation revenue was depending on ads, to my mind
it would also lead to such a lose of neutrality. I hope it make more
clear what is the connection I do between this two topics.
Also you may be interested to know that I wrote a very short essay "on
easyness"[1](I wrote it several years ago it wasn't intented specificaly
for this thread) where in a short, I say that you can hardly develop a
critical mind if you never go through experiments which aren't trivial
to manage. Thus said I don't mean that cluttering a learning activity
with artifical difficulties should be encouraged.
[1]
https://www.culture-libre.org/wiki/Sur_la_simplicit%C3%A9 It's in
French but if anyone is realy interested, I may translate it, just ask
me.
And more to the point; a very large number of people
would become
confused
with the processes you're describing. You are somewhere in the top
0.1% of
technically literate persons!! So judging what is possible or not
based on
your own skills/abilities introduces a critical bias.
A lack of neutrality, if you will :)
Well, while I don't know how much a "technically litterate person"
minority I am, I do agree that my own representation of the world is
full of biases. Also, I wish that anyone may have access to ressources
that would enable one to become litterate person in any topic. I just
fail to perceive a copy/paste action as a huge barrier to knowledge
diffusion. To my mind Wikipedia Zero for example seems to adress a real
concern of knowledge diffusion.
Tom
On 18 April 2013 13:46, Mathieu Stumpf
<psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org>wrote;wrote:
Le 2013-04-18 14:11, Stevie Benton a écrit :
[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]
Not sure how advertisements came in to the discussion, it's totally
different. If we agree we want to share the sum total of all human
knowledge, then it makes sense that we make it as easy to share
that
knowledge as possible. Having small, discreet buttons that allow
one / two
click sharing removes some of the barriers that may exist. Just my
opinion, of course.
Stevie
I really don't understand what's the supposed "barriers", you can
save the
whole page to send it, copy/paste the whole page, send the direct
URL. What
the use case where current possibilities would prevent one to share
this
knowledge?
On 18 April 2013 13:04, Mathieu Stumpf
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Le 2013-04-18 11:43, Stevie Benton a écrit :
[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]
>
> I like the idea of sharing buttons, as long as they aren't too
> prominent.
> Wikipedia was a social medium before the term was really in
> widespread
> use.
> I think it also shows that our audience is important. Aren't we
> ultimately
> about sharing?
>
> Stevie
>
>
To my mind, it's not just about sharing, it's about sharing
knowledge in
a
form which is as neutral as we can achieve to produce. If you stop
to
"sharing", then you may just as well let "free to share"
advertisments
invade wikipedia.
> On 18 April 2013 10:37, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf
> <psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org*
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>> wrote:
>>
>> > I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it
>> feet our
>> general
>> > policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a
>> definitive
>> > answer to your "why not".
>>
>>
>> You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to
>> Twitter, so
>> that's not a problem.
>>
>>
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