The underlying problem with that is they are also able to tell
legitimate complaints no. It beholdens one of the methods of the
Foundation's communications (official or not) to a 3rd party's
policies, with zero oversight or enforcement from the foundation. And
then, we're presented with problems like relying on a third party to
protect our privacy with cloaks; newcomers that are disgusted and
turned away by coming into our channels and seeing bot attacks that we
are hamstrung from preventing due to stupid restrictions on ops by
freenode; group contacts that have been criticized as being
unavailable and unhelpful; drama involving logging policies etc.
We could bypass all of this by simply hosting the IRC server ourselves.
-Dan
On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:36 AM, David Gerard wrote:
On 26/02/2008, Paul Williams <paul(a)skenmy.com>
wrote:
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dan Rosenthal
<swatjester(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> A question that has been raised for some
time. Freenode has issues
> beyond just the IRC cloaks. Why aren't we having an
> irc.wikimedia.org? There's really no good reason beyond "that's
> just
> the way it is."
I have considerable experience in running IRC
servers and networks.
They
aren't particularly resource intensive - and the customisation
facilities
are massive if you have backend access.
Just give me a shout if you need anything regarding this and i'd be
more
than willing to help out.
Lots of people around Wikimedia and its projects use IRC very
effectively as a working tool, but the social project fallout on en:wp
in particular from IRC use and suspicion of it is ... remarkable. (See
the recent arbitration case for an example.)
One important and useful byproduct of the Foundation's hands-off
approach to Wikimedia IRC on Freenode is being able to tell people
complaining to the Foundation to go away and ask James or Sean, both
of whom are highly practiced in telling spurious complainants "no."
I suppose if we had our own server they could get the job there too
and do it in a similar way ... "Here, James, Sean, have this excellent
chalice. Only a little poison!"
- d.
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