Hei,
I kind of sympathize with Jens' points. Mr. Zuckerberg, and especially Facebook as a business, are not necessary in a perfect synchrony with the mission and vision of the Wikimedia / Wikipedia movement. Even if this is the case we may ask does it still make sense for us to collaborate with their initiative? Would it advantage our very own mission and vision?
I also think that we are all people, also Mr. Zuckerberg, and people have different sides. I interpret that in the internet.org a group of *people*, working for big corporations, have seen a possibility to do something *good* that is same time in the interests of their businesses. I think we often forget that also in big corporation there are people, individuals who do choices. I do not see in here any hidden agendas or wrong doing. I see people trying to do something good.
Like GerardM pointed out, the internet.org may help us to get knowledge for people who otherwise would not have access to the Wikipedia. I do not see that this would move us somehow to the "dark side", especially when the *people* in the internet.org are not necessary evil.
With the fact that the Wikimedia foundation is financially sustainable, we also have a great position to negotiate with the internet.org people. I actually think that they need more Wikimedia / Wikipedia than we need them. Still, I think collaboration with them could advance our mission.
Best regards,
- Teemu
On 27.8.2013, at 9.32, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Jens, I am sorry there is nothing in what you say that has a bearing on what the aim is of the Wikimedia Foundation. Our aim is to get information/knowledge to every person in the world. The people that may be reached by this initiative are the ones we do not reach.
When we can reach them through something like a Wikipedia ZERO approach, this would be awesome never mind if Facebook et al make money out of it. The NSA et al have a reach that includes us all. Nothing is likely to change at that. It is however beside the point. The point is that we may reach more people and consequently do a better job at what our aim is. Thanks, GerardM
On 26 August 2013 23:58, Jens Best jens.best@wikimedia.de wrote:
The internet Mr. Zuggerberg wants was nothing to do with the ideas of free knowledge, online collaboration and open source as it is provided and promoted by Wikimedia.
Don't believe the Hype. Even and especially if it is Hype 2.0.
Just because the Silicon Valley billionaires got caught with sleeping with the NSA suddenly they push an "open internet for the world"-Idea to distract everybody from the dark roots.
Wikimedia should stay far away from this crowd and its "initiatives". Maybe in the future we should even get more distance between them (Facebook, Google, etc.) and us.
Jens
2013/8/26 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
Hoi, For your information ... an interview with Mr Zuggerberg... In my opinion there is an opportunity as he is looking for dense information.. we are really good at that :) Thanks, Gerard
http://www.wired.com/business/2013/08/mark-zuckerberg-internet-org/
On 23 August 2013 14:38, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <emijrp@gmail.com
wrote:
Looks like NSA has bought some new hard drives and needs moar data.
2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
Hoi, But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to
be
seen
by many more people, they do us a service.
In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first
of
all
about getting the knowledge out there. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best jens.best@wikimedia.de wrote:
Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel,
they
don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So,
actually,
Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make
their
next
moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and
with
whom
they really cooperate.
It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web
between
Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they
speak
of
freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just
because
they
use the word "internet" they don't speak of the same thing we do.
Jens
2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart kelson@kiwix.org
> Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit : >> I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold
for
now.
>> Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how
would
>> internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and
effort
to
be
>> involved? > > If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our
movement
joins
> such a dishonest project. > > If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and
adapt
> their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a
dilemma.
> A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content
(tactical
move)
> and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet > (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already
have
done
> it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic
in
such
> situations ;) > > If they really want to help to give a neutral access to
internet...
then
> this is really a dream we should be part of! > > But, this is all about speculations... > > I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my
hears.
> But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete
projects.
> That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction
they
> will make the next moves. > > Emmanuel > -- > Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline & more > * Web: http://www.kiwix.org > * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline > * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe:
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