Dear All
My subject line was somehow 'edited' by the list software, which
removed the most crucial element: It was "Another list called
[Wikimedia-l] has been created on Google". "Wikimedia-l" was removed
fronm the line. The email follows:
2015-01-11 15:11 GMT+02:00 Rui Correia <correia.rui(a)gmail.com>:
> Dear Colleagues
>
> A few days ago I started received a number of emails from
> "[Wikimedia-l]", which I found odd, as I had set my delivery satus to
> "no mail".
>
> It turns out that the emails are not coming from
> "wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org", but from "wikimedia-l
> <wikimedia-l(a)googlegroups.com>". However, the display name of the list
> is simply Wikimedia-l, identical to the name of this list.
>
> I find it perturbing that people could be duped into participating in
> discussions on a forum other then what they thought was the case. This
> borders on phishing, scamming, posing, pretending to be someone else
> to get benefit out of it. In fact, in a number of jurisdictions it is
> taken as a seriuos crime.
>
> Said list was created by a user by the name of Toby Dollmann and he or
> she has been adding people willy-nilly, regardless of whether they are
> involved with Wikipedia/ Wikimedia or not and completely without thei
> knowing about it, based on some event atended by "a number of people",
> who expressed desire for a list, an idea supported by three or four of
> those people.
>
> Any idea as to what could be done about this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rui
>
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Dear Colleagues
A few days ago I started received a number of emails from
"[Wikimedia-l]", which I found odd, as I had set my delivery satus to
"no mail".
It turns out that the emails are not coming from
"wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org", but from "wikimedia-l
<wikimedia-l(a)googlegroups.com>". However, the display name of the list
is simply Wikimedia-l, identical to the name of this list.
I find it perturbing that people could be duped into participating in
discussions on a forum other then what they thought was the case. This
borders on phishing, scamming, posing, pretending to be someone else
to get benefit out of it. In fact, in a number of jurisdictions it is
taken as a seriuos crime.
Said list was created by a user by the name of Toby Dollmann and he or
she has been adding people willy-nilly, regardless of whether they are
involved with Wikipedia/ Wikimedia or not and completely without thei
knowing about it, based on some event atended by "a number of people",
who expressed desire for a list, an idea supported by three or four of
those people.
Any idea as to what could be done about this?
Best regards,
Rui
--
_________________________
Rui Correia
Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant
Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant
Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186
Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186
_______________
Hello all,
On Friday 16 January 2015 Wikipedia will receive in the person of Jimmy
Wales a honorary doctorate in Maastricht, the Netherlands.
He will receive this during the Dies Natalis of Maastricht University. The
ceremony starts at 15:00 in the St.Janskerk (Minderbroedersberg). Attendees
must be there at 14:45.
After the Dies Natalis there is a reception organized by Maastricht
University.
If anyone wishes to visit the Dies Natalis and needs more information,
contact me. You need to register your presence in a form on the website of
the university!
Jimmy has that day a busy schedule (including a lecture for students) and
is not able to have a wikimeet this day. Photos of the event will be
published on Commons.
On Thursday 15 January Jimmy is in Amsterdam for a symposium. After the
symposium we have organised a wikimeet in this building:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waag,_Amsterdam
(It is said to be the oldest remaining non-religious building in Amsterdam.)
The meeting starts at 20:00. You can sign up to be present in the section
"Ja, ik kom!" (= Yes, I come!) at
https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimeet_in_Amsterdam_met_Jimmy_Wales
If you need more information, you can contact me.
See you next week!
Romaine
2014-11-17 23:01 GMT+01:00 Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> A local newspaper in the Netherlands had today as headline:
> Eredocteraat voor Timmermans en Wikipedia
>
> Translated: Honory degree for Timmermans and Wikipedia
>
>
> * Who is coming to Maastricht?
> * Can we organize a wikimeet that day in Maastricht?
>
> Romaine
>
>
>
> Rough translation of the newspaper:
>
> Maastricht University (UM) awarded an honorary doctorate to Frans
> Timmermans and the founder of Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales. They will be honored
> for the exceptional contributions they, directly or indirectly, have made
> to academic education and research.
>
> Commissioner Frans Timmermans is praised for his great contributions to both
> European and international relations. The American Jimmy Wales Wikipedia
> has established a platform accessible to everyone, which (in particular) for
> students not to imagine that it does not exist as infinite source of
> information. The honorary doctorates will be awarded during the official
> celebration of Dies Natalis, which takes place on 16 January 2015 at Sint
> Janskerk in Maastricht. Besides Timmermans and Wales, are also academics
> Michelle Craske (nominated by the Faculty of Psychology and Neuroscience) and
> Wolfgang Wahlster (nominated by the Faculty of Humanities and Sciences)
> awarded an honorary doctorate.
>
>
>
>
> Original in Dutch below:
>
> Eredocteraat voor Timmermans en Wikipedia
>
> De Universiteit Maastricht (UM) reikt een eredoctoraat uit aan Frans
> Timmermans en de oprichter van Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales. Zij worden gehuldigd
> voor de uitzonderlijke bijdragen die zij, direct of indirect, hebben
> geleverd aan academisch onderwijs en onderzoek.
>
> Eurocommissaris Frans Timmermans wordt geprezen om zijn grote bijdragen
> aan zowel Europese als internationale relaties. De Amerikaan Jimmy Wales
> heeft met Wikipedia een voor iedereen toegankelijk platform opgericht, dat
> (in het bijzonder) voor studenten niet meer weg te denken is als oneindige
> bron van informatie. De eredoctoraten worden uitgereikt tijdens de
> officiële viering van de Dies Natalis, die plaatsvindt op 16 januari 2015
> in de Sint Janskerk te Maastricht. Naast Timmermand en Wales worden tevens
> academici Michelle Craske (genomineerd door de Faculty of Psychology and
> Neuroscience) en Wolfgang Wahlster (genomineerd door de Faculty of
> Humanities and Sciences) onderscheiden met een eredoctoraat.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Actually, Gerard, you are the one coming across as entitled, possessive,
and aggressive.
mcc99 responded to a profoundly patronizing post from Austin Hair with a
bit of ill temper. We don't need to hear big clique guns booming over the
matter, just drop it.
Tim Davenport
Corvallis, OR
==original message==
>>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 08:41:08 +0100
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month
gender gap
Message-ID:
<CAO53wxXCh_CVYQt02CnemnKrw-2URdDwn3wxtjHtusQ2Y2A5eg(a)mail.gmail.com>
>>I do not care one whit who you are or why you think you are provoked.
What
I care about is arguments that are put cleanly without much fanfare. When
you think that you have permission to be rude threatening or abusive under
any circumstances, you are wrong. It degrades any point you have and it
abuses the other people on the list. * * *
>>When you choose to be abusive, it makes you unpalatable and I do not
really
care for your point of view because it got tainted. So make up your mind
what is important, your ego or your argument.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:59 PM, mcc99 <mcc99(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> But if you think you or anyone else can intimidate me into staying quiet when I see something fundamentally wrong happening, guess again.
>
> Now to put it politely, at least to start with:
>
> Go climb a tree.
Well... that was kind of rude. I really was trying to be helpful.
I definitely wasn't trying to intimidate you into staying quiet. You
do know that I'm the one that clicks "approve" for each and every one
of your posts to the list, right? (Yes, including this one. Your posts
were being held automatically as a new subscriber.)
Please be aware that although discussions on this list regularly
become heated, we do at least strive for a better tone. That I go
climb a tree certainly isn't the rudest suggestion I've heard even
this week, but I'd appreciate it if you tried a bit harder to be
civil.
Austin
Hoi,
I do not care one whit who you are or why you think you are provoked. What
I care about is arguments that are put cleanly without much fanfare. When
you think that you have permission to be rude threatening or abusive under
any circumstances, you are wrong. It degrades any point you have and it
abuses the other people on the list.
You may not think much of our list administrator. Your choice as long as it
is private, you are entitled to that opinion.
When you choose to be abusive, it makes you unpalatable and I do not really
care for your point of view because it got tainted. So make up your mind
what is important, your ego or your argument.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 8 January 2015 at 22:59, mcc99 <mcc99(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well "Austin Hair",
>
> You display a profound lack of understanding of ME, it seems. I am polite
> until others are rude, become threatening, even a thinly veiled way, so
> allow me to tell you first that I do not care a whit what YOU think of me
> or my opinion on this or any other topic. And if others object to my
> opinion on a topic, sensitive or not, they can make their case and it will
> stand or not on its merits.
>
> But if you think you or anyone else can intimidate me into staying quiet
> when I see something fundamentally wrong happening, guess again.
>
> Now to put it politely, at least to start with:
>
> Go climb a tree.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: wikimedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Date:01/08/2015 11:30 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 130, Issue 29
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:01:08 +0100
> From: Austin Hair <adhair(a)gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month
> gender gap
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> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:30 PM, mcc99 <mcc99(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > But in future, I think I'll sign in more often, esp. now that half the
> WikiGods have my uid on an alert trigger now. :)
>
> I think the question is only being asked because you're displaying a
> profound lack of understanding of how Wikipedia and Wikimedia work,
> not only in your recent proposal, but in commenting on this sensitive
> topic.
>
> You're entitled to your opinion, of course, and you've been polite in
> expressing it—that goes a long way, at least with me. So please don't
> think that it's a matter of demanding a certain number of WikiCred
> points before the WikiGods will let you sit at the WikiGrownups table,
> or anything like that. Just understand that this issue has a lot of
> people on edge, and at this rate it won't be long before "politely
> ignored" becomes less ignored and less polite.
>
> Austin
>
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Hi all --
Starting this month, WMF will be shifting its organization-wide
reports from a monthly to a quarterly cadence. This reflects our
growth as an organization, and is intended to make important
developments more visible internally and externally.
== Background ==
Shortly after Sue became WMF’s Executive Director, she started giving
updates to the Board of Trustees about her work. These reports were
compiled for accountability purposes, and not without some
trepidation, Sue started sharing them publicly in January 2008. [1]
The reports have grown in scope and depth alongside the organization.
Where we think we can do better is in the following areas:
- We've not defined the threshold for report-worthy work clearly
enough, so work that represents a few person hours’ effort could get
more space than a whole team’s work over the course of the quarter;
- We've not consistently mapped reporting against organizational priorities;
- We’re not presenting a strategic view on what we’re learning, where
we’re changing direction and why;
- We’re not helping users of the reports consistently discover
quarterly review minutes, slides and other materials related to a
specific area, in part due to the reports not being aligned with the
quarterly rhythm.
In addition, given the dependency on an increasing multitude of inputs
(from across an organization that had fewer than 20 staff when these
monthly reports were launched, and now has more than 200), the reports
have increasingly gotten backlogged, to the point that we’re just now
releasing the August report.
At the same time, under Lila the organization has shifted into a
recognizable quarterly rhythm. Priorities are defined quarterly, and
reviews are being introduced following the end of each quarter for all
significantly staffed projects.
== A New Reporting Process ==
It’s come time for us to revisit the model we use for reporting, to
clearly define the purpose/audience for these report, and to iterate
on the monthly format.
Purpose: The purpose of this report is accountability and learning
within the movement. The report is not a storytelling tool. Any
evaluation will be done with these objectives in mind.
Audience: Its audience is chiefly internal, including community
members, WMF staff, and interested donors/funders.
Format: Effective immediately, we are shifting to a quarterly
reporting format. This will impact our reporting, and the October
through December reporting period, in the following ways:
- Instead of three monthly reports for October, November, and
December, we will publish our first quarterly report in February 2015.
- We are reviewing the key organization-wide metrics and will improve
the selection and presentation of numbers at the top level of the
quarterly report.
- We will closely align quarterly reports with quarterly reviews, and
re-use high level findings from the quarterly reviews, while referring
to the slide decks and minutes from the reviews for details.
- We will aim to provide high-level synthesis and lessons learned, as
well as strategy updates, through this format as well.
Many of the more granular updates in the monthly report will no longer
be reported.
As above, the deadline for publication of the first report, covering
October 1 - December 31, is February 15. For this first report, we are
being conservative with regard to the deadline, as we will have our
resources directed at our staff all-hands and developer summit in
January.
Tilman and I will begin creating a draft structure for this new report
in coming weeks, and will do so in public from the get-go. We will
also rethink the “Wikimedia Highlights” alongside other multilingual
movements news formats, likely detaching them from reporting
functions.
Out of scope of this effort for now:
- Providing more timely updates on initiatives with high user impact.
We’re continuing to provide updates to Tech News [2] and similar
newsletters, but we’re not currently doing a major overhaul here.
- Replacing the monthly engineering report and its inputs, which also
serve as a project status dashboard. [3]
We are of course discussing how to improve on those mechanisms, and
feedback is welcome.
Let me know if you have any immediate questions or thoughts.
Thanks,
Erik
[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2008-January/084883.html
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Dashboard
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VP of Product & Strategy, Wikimedia Foundation
mcc99, while I'm enjoying this discussion, that came across as rude and
really a bit uncalled for. Austin was only trying to help you.
On 10 Jan 2015 01:01, "mcc99" <mcc99(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well "Austin Hair",
>
> You display a profound lack of understanding of ME, it seems. I am polite
> until others are rude, become threatening, even a thinly veiled way, so
> allow me to tell you first that I do not care a whit what YOU think of me
> or my opinion on this or any other topic. And if others object to my
> opinion on a topic, sensitive or not, they can make their case and it will
> stand or not on its merits.
>
> But if you think you or anyone else can intimidate me into staying quiet
> when I see something fundamentally wrong happening, guess again.
>
> Now to put it politely, at least to start with:
>
> Go climb a tree.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: wikimedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Date:01/08/2015 11:30 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 130, Issue 29
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:01:08 +0100
> From: Austin Hair <adhair(a)gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month
> gender gap
> Message-ID:
> <
> CA+bW_FVVBcn6BM6dutAwbJ884A1WMFBUMCTbnQOjvubK5r046w(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:30 PM, mcc99 <mcc99(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > But in future, I think I'll sign in more often, esp. now that half the
> WikiGods have my uid on an alert trigger now. :)
>
> I think the question is only being asked because you're displaying a
> profound lack of understanding of how Wikipedia and Wikimedia work,
> not only in your recent proposal, but in commenting on this sensitive
> topic.
>
> You're entitled to your opinion, of course, and you've been polite in
> expressing it—that goes a long way, at least with me. So please don't
> think that it's a matter of demanding a certain number of WikiCred
> points before the WikiGods will let you sit at the WikiGrownups table,
> or anything like that. Just understand that this issue has a lot of
> people on edge, and at this rate it won't be long before "politely
> ignored" becomes less ignored and less polite.
>
> Austin
>
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