https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Banni%C3%A8rePopUpWikipedia2014.png
Gah.
Yes, I understand that more obnoxious banners means more money faster and
presumably a shorter overall campaign. I also understand that we're only
punishing certain large wikis with these banners and that these banners
typically set a cookie so that they'll only appear once for most users.
Still, there's an element of basic human decency that must be
incorporated into our banner designs. Obscuring the page content is not
cool. Pop-ups (even ones that stay in the same window) are not cool.
MZMcBride
Hello everyone
This is crowdfunding season :)
We are running the last few days of the Wiki Loves Africa Cuisine
photographic contest.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Africa
And we need your help in... three possible ways.
First, feel free to contribute more pictures to the contest... as long
as it fits with this year theme: African Cuisine !
The theme encompass the
* foods
* dishes
* crops and husbandry (or more generally, growth of ingredients)
* Traditions and rituals around food
* cooking methods and processing
* ustensils
* food markets as well as supermarkets or informal traders
* food festivals
* culinary events
* culinary art
* famine food and any other issues related to cuisine on the African
continent.
Second, please feel free to help categorize the images already uploaded.
Help translate descriptions when provided (many were provided in arabic
for example). And help use these pictures to illustrate Wikipedia and
other Wikimedia projects.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Africa_2…
Third... we launched a crowdfunding project to fund the gifts that will
be offered to the winners.
If you feel like giving a few dollars...
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-fund-prizes-for-wiki-loves-africa-c…
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
All the best,
Anthere
yes, that I understood, I just believe that your statement that that
members of the FDC initially had zero or minimal experience needed for
bodies of this sort is basically ungrounded :)
best,
dj
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Balázs Viczián <balazs.viczian(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> "initial" was meant to refer to the times when the FDC (and its preceding
> processes) were set up. Sorry if I was misunderstandable.
>
> Vince
>
> 2014-11-25 13:00 GMT+00:00 Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>:
>
>> I mean 50 thousand, which positions the organization I ran at the level of
>> really small chapters in our movement.
>>
>> I do not understand your point about stakeholders at all. Are you assuming
>> that the FDC is acting as a WMF proxy? We are an independent,
>> community-ran body advising to the Board (which, again IS NOT the
>> Foundation).
>>
>> Additionally, we as the FDC, do not require external funding, so your
>> further argument is even more confusing. We're only advising to get it
>> whenever possible, but absolutely accept (a) explanations why it isn't
>> just
>> as well as (b) failed attempts.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> dj "pundit"
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > ~50k means 50.000 Euros or 500.000 Euros?
>> >
>> > The value is important because cutting 20% or 30% in biggest budget
>> means
>> > to justify that to the stakeholders.
>> >
>> > The model that FDC is bringing to the chapters is more complex than
>> > previously because the chapters have to find external funds.
>> >
>> > This means that the group of stakeholders has to be enlarged (a lot).
>> >
>> > I would give you the definition of stakeholders from ITIL: "those
>> > individuals or groups that have an interest in an organization, service
>> or
>> > project and are potentially interested or engaged in the activities,
>> > resources, targets or deliverables".
>> >
>> > WMF is one stakeholders.
>> >
>> > The submitters of a project are stakeholders, the members of the
>> > associations are stakeholders, the editor of Wikimedia projects are
>> > stakeholders and so on.
>> >
>> > In this case the FDC cannot evaluate the strategy of a chapter because
>> WMF
>> > is *one of the stakeholders*.
>> >
>> > And WMF cannot say that a chapter has not a strategy because a decision
>> > like this generates as consequence a complete review of the strategy in
>> > order to attract stakeholders.
>> >
>> > Basically if WMF is asking to find external funds to reduce the risk,
>> the
>> > consequence is that WMF is also declaring to would be a stakeholder with
>> > less importance and less impact in the decision of the strategy of the
>> > chapter.
>> >
>> > This is not my personal opinion, it's an evident consequence of biggest
>> > budget.
>> >
>> > regards
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Balazs,
>> > >
>> > > I'm quite puzzled and wondering what are you basing your opinion of
>> the
>> > FDC
>> > > members' zero initial experience. I can speak only for myself, but I
>> was
>> > an
>> > > ED of an NGO for 6 years (and successfully applied for grants and ran
>> a
>> > > ~50k annual budget), and I've been on the funds dissemination board
>> for
>> > >
>> > > best,
>> > >
>> > > dariusz "pundit"
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Balázs Viczián <
>> > > balazs.viczian(a)wikimedia.hu> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > In regards to the original problem brought up by Gerard, FDC is more
>> > > > or less on its maximum I think.
>> > > >
>> > > > Its members never did such (or similar) job(s) before FDC (the
>> closest
>> > > > would be credit checks, but that is like and IEG grant review - it
>> is
>> > > > pretty far from such a comprehensive grant - technically a
>> > > > full "business plan" - review)
>> > > >
>> > > > Despite the little to zero initial experience of its members,
>> > > > all-volunteer setup and the ever changing circumstances (global
>> goals,
>> > > > focus points, etc.) and how in general awful it sounds if you say it
>> > > > out lout that an all-amateur (in the good sense) and inexperienced
>> > > > group of people are handling
>> > > > out USD 6 million every year in their free time and for free, it
>> works
>> > > > pretty well.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not perfect but you can not demand or expect perfection from such a
>> > > setup.
>> > > >
>> > > > That is why there is a whole process now to correct the mistakes
>> that
>> > > > arise from this "non-professional system", including a dedicated
>> > > > ombudsperson for the case(s).
>> > > >
>> > > > I think this is fair enough, the quality of the reviews are visibly
>> > > > improving from year to year and for the first time there is a real
>> > > > possibility to fix the mistakes and errors made, like the
>> > > > "incoherentness" of reviews.
>> > > >
>> > > > Things from this point could be better only through radical changes
>> to
>> > > > the system imo.
>> > > >
>> > > > Balazs
>> > > >
>> > > > 2014-11-25 9:41 GMT, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com>:
>> > > > > In my opinion the work of the FDC cannot be limited to compare
>> three
>> > > > years,
>> > > > > to evaluate three budgets and to evaluate three impacts.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I would say that it's *out of context*.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I have had this feeling when I have read that the FDC consider
>> that
>> > > > Amical
>> > > > > is the best example to follow.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > How "to follow"? Amical operates in a different context than other
>> > > > > chapters. The question that a good example can be *cloned* is
>> > > > surrealistic.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Ok, nothing to say but:
>> > > > > a) Amical operates in small community where the language is a
>> strong
>> > > glue
>> > > > > within the community
>> > > > > b) Amical has a strong inter-relation Wikimedia projects =
>> > organization
>> > > > > c) Amical has no big internal conflicts generated by external or
>> > > internal
>> > > > > questions (may be the opposite)
>> > > > > d) the territory where Amical operates is relatively small
>> > > > >
>> > > > > A good example to compare Amical is with Wikimedia Israel.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I would not speak in the specific case of WM DE but I suggest to
>> look
>> > > in
>> > > > > the history of the German projects and in the German chapter and
>> to
>> > > check
>> > > > > how many external decisions have had an impact in the German
>> > community
>> > > to
>> > > > > generate a bias. I don't think that these decisions have been a
>> good
>> > > > > solution to improve the community participation to the projects.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What I see is that the numbers of editors is decreasing a lot in
>> the
>> > > > > biggest projects.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It may be caused by a wrong strategy where is privileged the
>> > diversity
>> > > > and
>> > > > > the Global South but without paying attention that the historical
>> > > > > communities and to the "usual" editors. May be I am wrong but
>> there
>> > are
>> > > > > more online projects becoming attractive for the "potential"
>> editors
>> > > and
>> > > > > the change of the target is not producing a real impact.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So it's not a question of comparison of three budget.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If the problem is critical the solution to limit the decreasing is
>> > not
>> > > > > beneficial.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > regards
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Il 24/Nov/2014 19:14 "Sydney Poore" <sydney.poore(a)gmail.com> ha
>> > > scritto:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> Hi Patrik,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> During this round of the FDC evaluating the requests, the
>> majority
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> organizations that we were looking at had submitted requests to
>> the
>> > > FDC
>> > > > >> for
>> > > > >> the past 3 years. While we have seen improvement around strategic
>> > > > >> planning,
>> > > > >> budget planning and evaluation, there is still a great amount of
>> > room
>> > > > for
>> > > > >> improvement from everyone in the wikimedia movement (including
>> the
>> > > WMF.)
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> If you read the recommendations, FDC is primarily asking the
>> largest
>> > > > >> organizations to re-evaluate their current capacity to deliver
>> > impact
>> > > to
>> > > > >> the movement in line with the funds that they are using. In many
>> > > > instances
>> > > > >> it involves looking at the organizations overall capacity to
>> develop
>> > > and
>> > > > >> execute a strategic plan. Because the FDC is making
>> recommendations
>> > > > about
>> > > > >> unrestricted funds, rather than focusing on a specific project or
>> > > > program,
>> > > > >> often the reductions in funds is linked to concerns about an
>> > > > organizations
>> > > > >> capacity to grow (eg., hire and manage more staff, do more
>> > complicated
>> > > > >> projects.)
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Warm regards,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Sydney Poore
>> > > > >> User:FloNight
>> > > > >> Member FDC
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
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>> > > __________________________
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>> > > kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
>> > > i centrum badawczego CROW
>> > > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
>> > > http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl
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>> > > Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
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>> > >
>> > > Recenzje
>> > > Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>> > > Pacific Standard:
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
>> > > Motherboard:
>> > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
>> > > The Wikipedian:
>> > >
>> http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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>> > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli <https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli>
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>> __________________________
>> prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
>> kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
>> i centrum badawczego CROW
>> Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
>> http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl
>>
>> członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
>> członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
>>
>> Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
>> Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
>> autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
>>
>> Recenzje
>> Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>> Pacific Standard:
>> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
>> Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
>> The Wikipedian:
>> http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
i centrum badawczego CROW
Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl
członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
Recenzje
Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
Pacific Standard:
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
The Wikipedian:
http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
Hey,
Few months ago, during Wikimania in London, we held the first meeting of
all (or at least aim to be..) the chapters' Chairpersons together with
Lila.
We will be happy to see this forum continue to work together, allowing the
Chairpersons to share ideas and discuses about their role and issues that
should be discussed within limited people (like board or ED relationships).
And I wanted to thanks Anasuya for the idea and the support on that!
I asked to open an internal mailing list for the forum, and tried to add
all the chairpersons whom I been in touch before the Wikimania meeting.
If by mistake I missed someone, I'll be happy if he can contact me
off-list. The subscriptions is open only to the chairperson of recognized
chapters or thematic organizations.
*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of
questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK
email list. The email below is an example. The list was always
intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the
moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are
manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks,
Fae
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com>
Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc: geniice(a)gmail.com, Harry Mitchell <hjmitchell(a)ymail.com>
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before
offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I
took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was
along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of
assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not
believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the
board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> [[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
>>
>>
>
> whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
>
> http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
>
> In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
>
>
> --
> geni
>
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Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
Craig, Patrik,
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Craig Franklin <cfranklin(a)halonetwork.net>
wrote:
>
> The other danger of across the board cuts like this, especially where the
> rationale is not clear, is that entities may start to inflate their
> requests, factoring an expected 10% or 20% to be shaved off the top by the
> FDC, thus leaving them with the figure that they *really *want. If the
> rationale is clearly explained, this will probably be less of a factor.
>
>
the current framework ONLY allows to make across the board cuts. Sadly. We
would very much rather have a possibility to recommend some projects to be
funded or not, but these are unrestricted funds. In the case of WMDE, I
think we did make it abundantly clear that Wikidata is an excellent project
that should receive more funding. It would also be really valuable if the
Board considered multi-year funding for this particular project separately.
While we strive to be as detailed as possible in our recommendations, I
hope it is understandable that there is a difference in detail of reasoning
for a budget requested on the one hand, and for a recommended amount on the
other. For starters, as a committee, we may differ initially in recommended
allocations - it is the end result that is a consensus we worked out,
basing on different rationales. We have used many approaches and lenses to
see this (expense-side, project-side, staff-side, diversification of other
funding-side, etc.), but ultimately, our belief was that WMDE may need to
reflect on their role in the movement and how it spends the movement's
resources. Also, our recommendation was based on the quality of proposals
(judged comparatively, taking the amounts into account). Finally, we did
have to reflect on the fact that the total amounts of requests exceeded our
overall budget (but this consideration was not driving our decisionmaking,
we in fact were discussing a possibility of recommending budget increase,
if all projects were outstanding).
Nemo: absolutely no hostility meant towards technological decentralization!
Speaking only for myself, I believe that the more our movement is relying
on various resources (including technologies) the better.
best,
dariusz "pundit"
--
__________________________
prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
i centrum badawczego CROW
Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl
członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
Recenzje
Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
Pacific Standard:
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
The Wikipedian:
http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
On behalf of the Wikimania Jury Committee, we would like to let the community know that the deadline for receiving bids to host Wikimania in 2016 has passed. Of the 6 unofficial bids that were listed, only two were deemed qualified for our review: Esino Lario, Italy and Manila,
Philippines.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids#Bids
Between now and December 3, the jury committee and community at large has an opportunity to reach out to these two bid
teams with feedback and questions. This can be done via the proposal's talk page, holding a public meeting with a bidder on IRC (#wikimaniaconnect channel on Freenode); or via other personal means as you see fit.
After December 3, the jury committee will further evaluate and discuss the bids with the prospective hosts.
A decision and recommendation will be made by mid-December to the WMF and Wikimania Steering Committee.
Ellie Young
WMF Conference Coordinator
and the Wikimania 2016 Jury Committee
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_jury
Hi!
I'm chiming in on a related (read to 3rd paragraph) note,
related to the Swedish (Nordic) situation. Through fairs, expos
and other areas of contact with Wikipedia readers, I've learnt
that a lot of people here in Sweden would like to be able to
make donations through their Internet bank.
Most bank payments in Sweden (and in other Nordic countries as
well?) are made through one kind of "giro" system or another. In
Sweden we currently have two systems – bankgiro and plusgiro
– and payments can be made from any Swedish Internet banking account.
And when payment cannot be done through giro, we can always
transfer money to a receiver's bank account. Inside Sweden
that's done via a bank clearing number + bank account number. To
receivers _outside_ of Sweden that's nowadays mainly done
through the BIC/IBAN system.
So it's not just the Dutch that would benefit from the
possibility of making BIC/IBAN transfers available for WMF donations.
My two cents,
/Per A.J. Andersson
Göteborg, Sweden
2014-11-22, 13:01, skrev wikimedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org:
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>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 08:42:01 +0100
>From: Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
>To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
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>It seems everyone agrees it is an important method (although I'm not 100%
>sure that the US based people running the fundraiser fully comprehend - I
>am assuming this is the case), but there seems to be some reason why the
>WMF chooses to not make this option easily available. A reason they choose
>not to disclose, but to be fuzzy about. I'm very sorry about this, and as
>Liam says, this fits in a trend with the Russian people no longer being
>allowed to donate. Maybe the two are connected, but this is all
>speculation.
>
>I'm sorry to see these steps back from the more open attitude there was a
>few years back. It feels very much that we are, as a community, being fed
>canned press answers. But then, maybe there's a real need for that and
>there's a huge legal threat to making it easy to donate through bank
>transfer that cannot be disclosed...
>
>Best,
>Lodewijk
