I'm about to book my travel for Milan, and wondered if there were any
views from Council members or other chapter enthusiasts if we might
try to arrange meetings outside of the core Friday 19th to Sunday 21st
If there are no particular plans for meeting during Thursday 18 April,
then I'll plan on arriving late that day.
Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) faewik(a)gmail.com
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On 02/03/2013, at 5:46 PM, Tony Souter <tony1(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Could there be more notice? And an agenda topic or two might attract more members into participating. Items don't have to be billed as occupying the meeting exclusively.
> On 03/03/2013, at 1:13 PM, Craig Franklin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> There will be a public Wikimedia Australia meeting today, 3rd March at 17:00 hours (5:00pm in NSW, VIC, ACT and TAS, 4pm QLD, 4:30pm SA, 3:30pm NT and 2pm WA). It will be held in #wikimedia-au on the Freenode IRC network. There is no set agenda so you are welcome to start a discussion about anything related to Wikimedia Australia.
>> Please see http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/IRC for more details.
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On 2 March 2013 19:28, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote:
> On 2 March 2013 12:04, Fae <faewik+commons(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2. Text on a memorial may be under its own copyright even though it is
>> on permanent public display, so the text itself must be demonstrably
>> out of copyright. This is a separate issue from the general FOP
>> provisions. If the text is incidental to the photograph, i.e. not a
>> close up and the text is effectively de minimus, then FOP is likely to
>> be valid.
> One other thing to remember: most of this text is fairly uncreative -
> in many cases, standard phrases or dates, and lists of names. We could
> make a reasonably good case that they are unlikely to be copyrightable
> texts regardless of age.
That's true, and I have uploaded plenty of my own photos of war
memorials with close up details of names, rank and so forth. However I
have run into problems with memorial statements that contain poetry,
simple drawings and original dedications and some of these have been
deleted despite me being reasonably cautious. I still think this is
solvable with some simple guidelines/principles for those taking part
in an event to take care to avoid any later problems with uploads.
I am sorry to hear this has been a concern. My intuition is that this
would be far less of a tangible risk to a team project than the fuss
about this stuff might lead you to believe, so long as we can
demonstrate sensible advice, review and precautions being taken.
In the UK, FOP tends to be very liberal, however memorials have
special issues to consider if the intention is for a free release on
Commons. I would have encouraged some guidelines for
photographers/uploaders to be written up, and then continued with the
event with these in place, possibly with a means of contributors
asking further questions and having their uploads reviewed for
compliance via an on-wiki project page.
A few nuts and bolts of it based on my experiences on Commons (from a
UK perspective, so this will vary somewhat in other parts of Europe)
1. Any memorial must be a permanent feature. Any work of art that
appears temporary is unlikely to be covered by FOP.
2. Text on a memorial may be under its own copyright even though it is
on permanent public display, so the text itself must be demonstrably
out of copyright. This is a separate issue from the general FOP
provisions. If the text is incidental to the photograph, i.e. not a
close up and the text is effectively de minimus, then FOP is likely to
3. Text which is embossed and made 3D, such as being part of an
inscribed plaque, may be considered a 3D work and covered by FOP.
4. Any memorial photographed whilst standing on private land may not
be covered by FOP.
The US has free speech, but is a long way from a country that accepts
FOP, however so long as the photo is taken in the EU and is of a fixed
and identified memorial, EU copyright law is the principle one to
consider and FOP applies.
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