Hello everyone,
I'd like to invite you all to an IRC Office Hours this coming Saturday, 28th July 2012 at 19:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office (time zone information: http://tinyurl.com/bq74jux).
In this meeting, I will be there to answer any questions about my fellowship - what I've been doing, what I've learned and what my plans are. I'll also appreciate any feedback, comments or suggestions on things that I could work on, or on dispute resolution in general.
Please mark this date in your calendar if you wish to participate in the
discussion. I will send a reminder about this on Friday.
Regards,
Steven Zhang
Community Fellow, Wikimedia Foundation
szhang(a)wikimedia.org
Hi all,
I have written a proposal for the improvement of the current
geolocalization system used for the geonotice, being the current one
really poor and of no use in some areas. This proposal is based on the
use of the geolocalization capabilities of modern browsers.
Having a more accurate geolocalization system would benefit both
readers, which will be reading only messages interesting for people in
their areas, and the projects by fostering direct participation in
local events.
You can find the proposal here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Geonotice
I know that the feature may be perceived as invasive so I would like
that as many people as possible share their opinion on this and I hope
that we can anyway start a discussion that will lead to an improved
geolocalization system, whichever we found appropriate.
Thanks for your attention,
Cristian
Somehow this only replied to Nemo
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com
> Date: July 23, 2012 12:27:56 PM CDT
> To: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Geolocalization improvement proposal
>
>
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> On Jul 23, 2012, at 7:42 AM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com, 23/07/2012 14:28:
>>> I am unaware of what the shortcomings of the current system are and where any improvements would be felt. This makes it a bit hard to have a firm opinion of the trade-offs involved with changing the system. So what exactly are the problems people are having with the current geolocation system?
>>
>> As the page tries to prove, looks like the current system is completely unreliable and therefore useless for most geonotices in Italy and probably other places.
>
> I think it would be useful to have a wider study of the accuracy of the current system. Privacy issues are always a concern. I am not certain I could support gathering more exact information on users who are well-served by the current system. It would be more supportable, I think, if there were a way to turn on the browser-based system only for those who are in areas that are known to be poorly served by the current system. Or if you were to ask those who geolocate to known ambiguous areas to opt-in to browser-based geolocation. There is obviously a benefit for some people, but a cost to everyone if we were to switch wholesale. Further study to determine exactly how widespread and how significant the benefit would be is something that I think might be useful.
>
> Birgitte SB
On Jul 23, 2012 2:59 PM, "Deryck Chan" <deryckchan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Jul 23, 2012 11:48 AM, "aude" <aude.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Cristian Consonni <
> kikkocristian(a)gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > 2012/7/18 Cristian Consonni <kikkocristian(a)gmail.com>:
> > > > I know that the feature may be perceived as invasive so I would like
> > > > that as many people as possible share their opinion on this and I
> hope
> > > > that we can anyway start a discussion that will lead to an improved
> > > > geolocalization system, whichever we found appropriate.
> > >
> > > I am sorry to insist on this issue but having received almost no
> > > answers in the past week I fear that I was not clear in my request.
> > > But I indeed have some questions, so I restate them here:
> > > * Using browser localization capabilities may be perceived as
> > > invasive. Would you like to use browser localization tool in
> > > Wikipedia? (yes/no, why?)
> > >
> >
> > Yes, I think it's invasive and Wikipedians can be quite sensitive about
> > privacy. (even if it's all in the browser, with JavaScript, etc.) It
> may
> > not be the case everywhere, but the IP based geolocation is good enough
> for
> > purposes of geonotices.
>
> Doesn't work well enough in the UK for our purposes - there are threads
> and threads of debate on wikimediauk-l if you want to delve into that. The
> US is the exception, not the rule, in that lat-lon geolocation actually
> works to a useful accuracy.
> Deryck
>
> >
> > Right now, we pretty much opt everyone into the geonotices, though each
> can
> > be dismissed or people can turn them off with css / js. I think people
> > would freak out about the more precise geolocation and more would opt
> out.
> >
> > (e.g. whatever happened with Twitter's geolocation? as far as I see,
> > people don't use it much)
> >
> >
> >
> > > * Do you think the trade-off between bothering user asking to send
> > > position information and potential benefits (more accurately localized
> > > messages) is worth?
> > >
> >
> > Not worth it. Not enough benefit over the current approach.
> >
> >
> > > * Are you happy with the current system ?
> > >
> >
> > Yes. Obviously the UI for the geonotice tool can use improvement, and
> > would be nice to see more geolocation functionality in CentralNotice.
> >
> >
> > > * Do you think a deeper study of the issue (i.e. a new survey,
> > > conducted on a broader sample and in a more scientifically precise
> > > way) would be useful or would help you make a more informed decision?
> > >
> >
> > No.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Katie
> >
> >
> >
> > > * Have you any further proposal for the use of the system?
> > >
> > > Thank you, please also use the discussion page of
> > >
> > >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Geonotice#Open_questions_.28feedback_welcome…
> > > for comments.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Cristian
> > >
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Hi,
I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
hoaxes, not others).
it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
hope you enjoy it,
thanks,
mike
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Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org
Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:33:31 +0000
> From: Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched
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> John, and others.
>
> I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
> deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
> fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
> now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a problem
> in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
> articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
> have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
> sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is not
> notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable artilces.
> My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to be
> hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
> through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
> thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
> article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
> many times.
> Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
> willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
> Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
> bring up this up in response to your mail.
>
> Please see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
> and
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and…
>
> thanks
> mike
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Mike, with all due respect we don't have the volunteers to do what you
will need, and I doubt you would be able to recruit them yourself. Take one
example, if an article clearly qualifies for A7 deletion as not asserting
importance or significance then please don't rely on us to also check it
for copyvio. An article that asserts that a footballer has only played for
minor clubs, or that a band will be the next big thing on the Great Malvern
Grunge scene as soon as they've recruited a drummer will be deleted per A7.
Yes we need to check that this isn't the result of vandalism, and yes
there are people not notable for their music career who are otherwise
notable as Prime Ministers etc. But if an article clearly qualifies for A7
deletion then we currently have no need to also check it for copyvio. I'm
sure if someone went through the thousands of pages that I've deleted there
would be quite a few where copyvio could have been added as an additional
deletion reason.
Please reconsider your project. There is so much that can be done on
Wikipedia to rescue articles worth rescuing that it would be a great waste
to see time and energy diverted to unsalvageable articles.
WSC
Hi,
as signalized during the session the questions to the board were
collected (thanks Phoebe) and are now published at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/Board_Q%26A
I hope you find it helpful to have a look at the questions as soon as
possible, although we haven't yet answered them. This will be done
within the next days, not as "the board" but as individuals. So please
notice that the answers are not representing the view of the whole
board and feel free to comment.
Regards
Alice.