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> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 00:14:51 +0200
> From: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia
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> WereSpielChequers, 04/10/2011 23:46:
> > If someone tried to use this law
> > to
> > force an editor to publish a rebuttal of something posted before the
> > freeze, then surely that would be retrospective legislation?
> I don't see why. Web pages are permanent, they ask the
> correction/declaration to be published after the new law (there's no
> time limit for it) and you have to publish it. You're not punished for
> having published the original text.
> Webpages are only permanent if someone keeps hosting them. I can see that
if the Italian Wikipedia was back up someone in Italy might send a note to
the WMF asking them to comply with this Italian law. But if an editor is no
longer active on the site it would be retrospective legislation to oblige
them to return to a site in 2012 and publish a rebuttal note to something
they wrote in 2006.
If it is retrospective legislation then there may an opportunity for the
opposition to appeal to the European Court.
If this legislation is passed then one option would be for the Italian
Wikipedia to be restored, but with a site notice explaining that "This site
is hosted n the USA and operates under US law rather than Italian law, click
here if you are in Italy and need to see rebuttals posted under Italian law"
. Then you could have a rebuttal namespace transcluded onto the article for
those who have said they are in Italy and therefore need to see the
This blackout is bound to lead to more Italians reading and perhaps editing
other language versions of Wikipedia instead. It would be interesting to
hear from the WMF what their policy would be on IP requests from the Italian
Police, particularly if any were made re Italian editors editing other
language versions of Wikipedia.
In the meantime there may be an unusual number of Italian editors seeking
renames from named accounts to pseudonymous ones. Would it be possible to
upgrade that process so that mailing list archives, former signatures on
talkpages and other uses of an editor's name were also amended?
I want to say very clearly that without the provisions included under
Creative Commons 3.0 article 5, it will be very difficult for
volunteer contributors to consider working for a project that makes
them liable to all kinds of complaints. For that reason, the proposed
change. This sort of major change should be discussed in a very wide
consultation with the community, with a "sitenotice" announcement on
all projects, rather than making a surreptitious change as is being
proposed on Meta.
See also http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use#Terms_of_use.2316._Indemni…
Whoever has locked out access to it.wikipedia.org should be immediately
desysopped under emergency procedures. This site is run by the Wikimedia
Foundation and I've seen no authorization by the WMF for the vandalism of
one of its websites.
Sorry for the cross-posting, but I write here what I have already
submitted to internal.
It seems that there is the majority to put it.wikipedia.org alive
again in the following hours.
The law has not been approved yet but the committee, who has in charge
the proposal, has accepted some amendments like that of the paragraph
29 (which is the point in discussion in it.wikipedia.org).
It means that a proposal will be submitted to the approval of the
Parliament but it's not sure that it will be approved or not.
The Parliament can:
A) reject the whole law
B) approve the law but reject the amendments
C) approve the law and the amendments
At the moment there is still a big conflict in the Parliament to
proceed with the point A but if the point A will be approved, the
feeling is they will proceed with the scenario C.
Anyway what is very important is the impact of the action of
it.wikipedia.org in Italy and how it has been perceived, and I think
that this is an interesting point like "post-mortem" phase to analyze
A) Wikipedia is considered in Italy like a "vital"service, important
like the power supplier or the transportation and the strike in
Wikipedia has been considered like a strike of the railroads
B) The impact in all persons have been strong and all of them have
understood what is in discussion and the consequences of paragraph 29.
In my opinion Wikipedia has supplied to a missed information in the
C) No one understand that the editors in Wikipedia are volunteers and
this is not a real strike or a "public" service (this is really a
These are three important points, in my opinion, that can help to
understand what Wikipedia is for any normal people in Italy.
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FYI, meanwhile more than *HALF A MILLION* Italian citizens, in less
than *24 hours*, expressed strong support for it.wiki in the social
network/blogsphere: I think this is an incredible result for the Wiki
movement and philosophy (for Italy, but also at the international
level). It is the most massive, coherent and rapid social mobilization
ever happened in Italy, to my knowledge. For anything.
Some data: more than Half a million people in 24 hours, growing at the
impressive rate of *one thousand people/minute*, expressed support on
FB and liking the Wikistrike; tens of thousands of comments and posts
in FB, Google+ and the whole italian blogsphere to support Wiki, and
openly expressing how Wikipedia is now essential for the everyday life
of so much people; every main Italian media dedicating articles at the
Wikistrike; tens (hundreds ?) of relevant international media
reporting on it.
Everything happened in less than 24 hours.
It is a huge international PR- and mass-sensibilization success,
focused on the value and defence of the Open Knowledge, and its
diffused and ubiquitous relevance for the life of many millions of