Wikimedia-l February 2007

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[Foundation-l] How to edit wikipedia when stupid mods block all Thai ip addresses
by Walter van Kalken 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

I am getting extremely impatient with RonaldB he seems to have a fetish for blocking Thai IP addresses on the Dutch wikipedia and he doesn't answerd emails send to him. I cannot even edit when I am logged in, not from a friends computer which uses a different provider. Is it the wikimedia foundations goal to block me?? The last two weeks I have found the IP adresses of my provider constantly blocked, pre-emptively by RonaldB without any sign of vandalism by those IP adresses. Wikipedia can be editted by anyone? Not by me! Waerth

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[Foundation-l] The Communist Vandal Trashed the Dine (Navajo) Wikipedia
by Jeffrey V. Merkey 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

The Communist Vandal trashed the entire Dine (Navajo) Wikipedia at nv.wikipedia.org sometime earlier today. I have reverted all of his edits -- it took a while. He managed to vandalize every single article on this wiki in a matter of minutes. Jeff

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[Foundation-l] precisions about the recent WMF "fair use" decision
by David Monniaux 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

Geni said: > >/ To me, these include, among others:// />/ * military operations and hardware / > US military photos and trade fairs. Also various open days. About the > only think you won't get is NK stuff such as Ch'onma-ho So, only US hardware and activities. So much for NPOV. (There are tons of interesting things that you won't see unless you're in operations. Trade fairs will show only small arms.) >/ * spacecraft / > NASA for a lot of stuff and countries tend to put a lot of their space > hardware on display NASA => only US You've therefore made the point that our current policies favor the broadcasting of the activities of the US government. So much for NPOV. :-)

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[Foundation-l] MediaWiki Server
by Frazer Kirkman 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

Greetings. My associates and I are looking to build a new Wiki using MediaWiki. We are looking to have lots of audio and video content. I was hoping you could suggest servers which are optimized for this purpose. I am particularly concerned with the expandability. Do the MediaWiki servers serve other projects, or can you suggest any servers are being used by other MediaWiki sites? If not, are there any considerations we need to be aware of for deciding on for supplying good performance for MediaWiki? Thank you Frazer Kirkman

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[Foundation-l] Definition of Free Cultural Works 1.0 Released
by Erik Moeller 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Hello all! I'm happy to announce that version 1.0 of the Definition of Free Cultural Works has been released. This definition is directly referenced in the draft Wikimedia licensing policy and is likely to become our future guideline to distinguish free and non-free content. The definition itself is developed using a wiki process & a group of moderators (see below), so I'd appreciate "bug reports" on the wiki. Specifically for the Wikimedia Commons folks: We're developing a set of buttons to identify free licenses, using our own "Free Cultural Works" logo. Any contribution here would be welcome. Full announcement & links below. Please forward & distribute to relevant mailing lists. - - - - New "Definition of Free Cultural Works" Challenges Authors to Rethink Copyright Law ''The Internet, February 14, 2007.'' A diverse group of writers has released the first version of the "Definition of Free Cultural Works." The authors have identified a minimum set of freedoms which they believe should be granted to all users of copyrighted materials. Created on a wiki with the feedback of Wikipedia users, open source hackers, artists, scientists, and lawyers, the definition lists the following core freedoms: * The freedom to use and perform the work * The freedom to study the work and apply the information * The freedom to redistribute copies * The freedom to distribute derivative works. Inspired by the Free Software Definition and the ideals of the free software and open source movements, these conditions are meant to apply to any conceivable work. In reality, these freedoms must be granted explicitly by authors, through the use of licenses which confer them. On the website of the definition, <http://freedomdefined.org/>, a list of these licenses can be found. Furthermore, authors are encouraged to identify their works as Free Cultural Works using a set of logos and buttons. The definition was initiated by Benjamin Mako Hill, a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and Erik Möller, an author and long-time Wikipedia user. Wikipedia already follows similar principles to those established by the definition. Angela Beesley, Wikimedia Advisory Board Chair and co-founder of Wikia.com; Mia Garlick, general counsel of Creative Commons; and Elizabeth Stark of the Free Culture Student Movement acted as moderators, while Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation and Lawrence Lessig of Creative Commons provided helpful feedback. As more and more people recognize that there are alternatives to traditional copyright, phrases like "open source," "open access," "open content," "free content," and "commons" are increasingly used. But many of these phrases are ambiguous when it comes to distinguishing works and licenses which grant all the above freedoms, and those which only confer limited rights. For example, a popular license restricts the commercial use of works, whereas the authors believe that such use must be permitted for a work to be considered Free. Instead of limiting commercial use, they recommend using a clever legal trick called "copyleft:" requiring all users of the work to make their combined and derivative works freely available. Möller and Hill encourage authors to rethink copyright law and use one of the Free Culture Licenses to help build a genuine free and open culture. == Links == * http://freedomdefined.org/ - Official homepage of the definition * http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses - Information about specific licenses * http://freedomdefined.org/Logos_and_buttons - Logos and buttons for identifying free cultural works == Contact == * Erik Möller - eloquence (at) gmail (dot) com - +49-30-45491008 * Benjamin Mako Hill - mako (at) atdot (dot) cc -- Peace & Love, Erik DISCLAIMER: This message does not represent an official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees.

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[Foundation-l] Set up a daily-image-l mailing list?
by Brianna Laugher 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Hello, Would there be any objection to setting up a daily-image-l mailing list akin to English Wikipedia's daily-article-l, but for featured pictures from Commons? Of course, for bandwidth reasons, we would only link to the image, instead of emailing it to each subscriber :) with brief multilingual labels and copyright credit. [[m:Mailing list]] just says to contact a dev to start a new list, but I imagine they like to know that the idea has been run past other people first. :) cheers Brianna user:pfctdayelise

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[Foundation-l] What is the difference between MediaWiki.org and the Meta-Wiki?
by Virgil Ierubino 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

This is obvious in many cases - MediaWiki.org has the manual... but then Meta has the extensions? ...or they're being moved to the former. But the latter also has "manual"-like elements. Where are you actually *meant* to document proposals? ...for new wikis on Meta, for software upgrades on MediaWiki, or just put it all on BugZilla? And... I'm confused. Just, what are the actual distinct purposes of the two wikis? What kind of information should always go on one and never the other? Thanks.

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[Foundation-l] Cherokee Wikipedia Syllabary Maps for Drifted Dialects
by Jeff V. Merkey 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

This information is provided for WikitionaryZ and other Wikimedia projects who have requested updated Syllabary Maps of modern Cherokee vs. Otali Dialect Cherokee used by Modern Speakers. Following are Syllabary maps which map drifted Otali Dialect Language vowels Characters back into the Sequoyah Syllabary. Drifted Otali words which us the following constructs should be mapped to the Sequoyah Syllabary characters in this table. Many hours of reviewing Cherokee writings from the 1800's til the present were used to construct this table, including the writings of Cherokee linguists and language experts about the evolution of the Language. This map should handle most of the cases. As you can see from the table, there are now a total of 126 syllables used in modern Cherokee words. This is a significant expansion from the language of Sequoyah's day which only supported 85 chracters. *nah-32:(0) Ꮐ (nah) *hna-31:(1) Ꮏ (hna) *qua-38:(2) Ꮖ (qua) *que-39:(3) Ꮗ (que) *qui-40:(4) Ꮘ (qui) *quo-41:(5) Ꮙ (quo) *quu-42:(6) Ꮚ (quu) *quv-43:(7) Ꮛ (quv) *dla-60:(8) Ꮬ (dla) *tla-61:(9) Ꮭ (tla) *tle-62:(10) Ꮮ (tle) *tli-63:(11) Ꮯ (tli) *tlo-64:(12) Ꮰ (tlo) *tlu-65:(13) Ꮱ (tlu) *tlv-66:(14) Ꮲ (tlv) *tsa-67:(15) Ꮳ (tsa) *tse-68:(16) Ꮴ (tse) *tsi-69:(17) Ꮵ (tsi) *tso-70:(18) Ꮶ (tso) *tsu-71:(19) Ꮷ (tsu) *tsv-72:(20) Ꮸ (tsv) *hah-79:(21) Ꮿ (ya) *gwu-11:(22) Ꭻ (gu) *gwi-40:(23) Ꮘ (qui) *hla-61:(24) Ꮭ (tla) *hwa-73:(25) Ꮹ (wa) *gwa-38:(26) Ꮖ (qua) *hlv-66:(27) Ꮲ (tlv) *guh-11:(28) Ꭻ (gu) *gwe-39:(29) Ꮗ (que) *wah-73:(30) Ꮹ (wa) *hnv-37:(31) Ꮕ (nv) *teh-54:(32) Ꮦ (te) *qwa-6:(33) Ꭶ (ga) *na-30:(34) Ꮎ (na) *ne-33:(35) Ꮑ (ne) *ni-34:(36) Ꮒ (ni) *no-35:(37) Ꮓ (no) *nu-36:(38) Ꮔ (nu) *nv-37:(39) Ꮕ (nv) *ga-6:(40) Ꭶ (ga) *ka-7:(41) Ꭷ (ka) *ge-8:(42) Ꭸ (ge) *gi-9:(43) Ꭹ (gi) *go-10:(44) Ꭺ (go) *gu-11:(45) Ꭻ (gu) *gv-12:(46) Ꭼ (gv) *ha-13:(47) Ꭽ (ha) *he-14:(48) Ꭾ (he) *hi-15:(49) Ꭿ (hi) *ho-16:(50) Ꮀ (ho) *hu-17:(51) Ꮁ (hu) *hv-18:(52) Ꮂ (hv) *ma-25:(53) Ꮉ (ma) *me-26:(54) Ꮊ (me) *mi-27:(55) Ꮋ (mi) *mo-28:(56) Ꮌ (mo) *mu-29:(57) Ꮍ (mu) *da-51:(58) Ꮣ (da) *ta-52:(59) Ꮤ (ta) *de-53:(60) Ꮥ (de) *te-54:(61) Ꮦ (te) *di-55:(62) Ꮧ (di) *ti-56:(63) Ꮨ (ti) *do-57:(64) Ꮩ (do) *du-58:(65) Ꮪ (du) *dv-59:(66) Ꮫ (dv) *la-19:(67) Ꮃ (la) *le-20:(68) Ꮄ (le) *li-21:(69) Ꮅ (li) *lo-22:(70) Ꮆ (lo) *lu-23:(71) Ꮇ (lu) *lv-24:(72) Ꮈ (lv) *sa-44:(73) Ꮜ (sa) *se-46:(74) Ꮞ (se) *si-47:(75) Ꮟ (si) *so-48:(76) Ꮠ (so) *su-49:(77) Ꮡ (su) *sv-50:(78) Ꮢ (sv) *wa-73:(79) Ꮹ (wa) *we-74:(80) Ꮺ (we) *wi-75:(81) Ꮻ (wi) *wo-76:(82) Ꮼ (wo) *wu-77:(83) Ꮽ (wu) *wv-78:(84) Ꮾ (wv) *ya-79:(85) Ꮿ (ya) *ye-80:(86) Ᏸ (ye) *yi-81:(87) Ᏹ (yi) *yo-82:(88) Ᏺ (yo) *yu-83:(89) Ᏻ (yu) *yv-84:(90) Ᏼ (yv) *to-57:(91) Ꮩ (do) *tu-58:(92) Ꮪ (du) *ko-10:(93) Ꭺ (go) *tv-59:(94) Ꮫ (dv) *qa-73:(95) Ꮹ (wa) *ke-7:(96) Ꭷ (ka) *kv-12:(97) Ꭼ (gv) *ah-0:(98) Ꭰ (a) *qo-10:(99) Ꭺ (go) *oh-3:(100) Ꭳ (o) *ju-71:(101) Ꮷ (tsu) *ji-69:(102) Ꮵ (tsi) *ja-67:(103) Ꮳ (tsa) *je-68:(104) Ꮴ (tse) *jo-70:(105) Ꮶ (tso) *jv-72:(106) Ꮸ (tsv) *a-0:(107) Ꭰ (a) *e-1:(108) Ꭱ (e) *i-2:(109) Ꭲ (i) *o-3:(110) Ꭳ (o) *u-4:(111) Ꭴ (u) *v-5:(112) Ꭵ (v) *s-45:(113) Ꮝ (s) *n-30:(114) Ꮎ (na) *l-2:(115) Ꭲ (i) *t-52:(116) Ꮤ (ta) *d-55:(117) Ꮧ (di) *y-80:(118) Ᏸ (ye) *k-6:(119) Ꭶ (ga) This information is also located at the Cherokee Wikipedia. http://chr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Drift Jeff

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Re: [Foundation-l] precisions about the recent WMF "fair use" decision
by rfrangi＠libero.it 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

> Gregory Maxwell wrote: > This is not the case at all.. You can continue to accept "with > permissions" images, so long as they would also qualify as Fair Use. > > If what you are saying is completely true, that you only use "with > permissions" because there is no fair use in your local law then no > images would need to be deleted at all. > > However, this does not appear to be the case on itwiki: > http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:PuntanoQui/Template:Copyrighted > > Where very many of these images could have be recreated as free works > by anyone.. many of them are even the works of wikipedians but they > are not released as free content. Ok. A partial cleanup like you propose is different from the "remove all" we have understood up to now. Roberto (Snowdog) ------------------------------------------------------ Passa a Infostrada. ADSL e Telefono senza limiti e senza canone Telecom http://click.libero.it/infostrada12feb07

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[Foundation-l] Fwd: Share-Alike with images
by Erik Moeller 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

This is a discussion from cc-licenses, the Creative Commons mailing list, that might be of interest to some. See the thread here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-licenses/2007-February/004960.html I've also asked Larry Lessig for his thoughts on the matter. I think that if we cannot achieve this with CC-BY-SA, it may be necessary to create a stronger copyleft license that does. But the answer isn't clear yet, and it might be helpful if some Wikimedians weigh in on the discussion. Mailing list subscription info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-licenses ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org> Date: Feb 9, 2007 4:44 AM Subject: Fwd: Share-Alike with images To: lessig(a)pobox.com Hello Larry, I have received no clear response to this on the cc-licenses mailing list. It would be helpful to discuss this a bit. If CC doesn't want to explicitly make copyleft apply to, e.g., the combination of an article and an image, it might be useful to create a separate, stronger copyleft license for this purpose. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org> Date: Feb 5, 2007 3:01 AM Subject: Share-Alike with images To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts <cc-licenses(a)lists.ibiblio.org> The Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike license currently states: "For the avoidance of doubt, where the Work is a musical composition or sound recording, the synchronization of the Work in timed-relation with a moving image ('synching') will be considered a Derivative Work for the purpose of this License." This is cool and helps to clarify copyleft in the context of music. What about the case where a photo is used in a newspaper or encyclopedia article? Like a musical piece in a movie, there is a clear semantic relationship between the two; one is directly enriched in its meaning by the other. I think the license is currently ambiguous about such uses. However, I think it would be clearly in line with the copyleft philosophy to demand free licensing of the combined whole in such a case (not in the case of mere aggregation within e.g. a collection of photos where there's no semantic relationship between them). In my discussions with photographers, I've found that many use NC licenses because they worry about commercial exploitation of their works. If we could clarify copyleft in the context of images, many of these fears could be alleviated. The simple fact is that a photo by itself is not likely to be modified much, especially if it's of very high quality to begin with. That's why I think it's important that we establish a clear and unambiguous reciprocity when images are used in larger works. Perhaps the movie-specific phrase in the current SA license text could be generalized: "For the avoidance of doubt, where the Work is semantically combined with another (a film with time-synchronized music, an article with pictures, and so on), the combined Work will be considered a Derivative Work for the purpose of this license." I don't think the "Collective Work" portion would need to be modified, as it already speaks of "separate and independent" works, which would be clarified by a phrase like the above. -- Peace & Love, Erik DISCLAIMER: This message does not represent an official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees. -- Peace & Love, Erik DISCLAIMER: This message does not represent an official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees. -- Peace & Love, Erik DISCLAIMER: This message does not represent an official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees.

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