The Cunctator writes:
> But please, don't ask for our harmony, trust, generosity, support,
> Earn it.
This is a fair point, so long as it is a reciprocal obligation. I
have great respect for those who have honest criticisms of any process
or decision at the Foundation. But sometimes those criticisms are
framed in terms of recrimination, bitterness, mean-spiritedness, and
so on. This choice of tone tends to obscure the message.
I think we can all do better. The way you create generosity is not by
waiting around and demanding that other people be generous towards
you. The way you create kindness is not by insisting that we get none
from you until we "earn it."
I for one try to be generous with everyone here, which I can do until
about the 10th iteration of a sarcastic attack, after which I am
forced to start making jokes. Mostly.
This is to inform you that Wikimania dates has been changed to 17-19 July.
We hope this fits better with the Euro/American week formats; so as to avoid
a conference that would cross two weeks and end on a Monday, as in the
Japanese Wikipedia won the first prize of "Web of the year" in Japan!
http://woy2007.sbcr.jp/ (Japanese page)
# Sadly, they don't make English page :(
We won the prize last year also, this is for 2nd straight year.
Allow me to be the first to say "What the hell?" Am I the only one who
is absolutely outraged by this? We hear Erik call for transparency and
openness, yet he gets hired for a position there was no announcement
about? I call BS.
The board recently passed a resolution, which you will find below
In the aftermath of the resignation of Michael Davis (effective october
31th, 2007) and Erik Moëller (effective december 15th, 2007), the board
confirms its will to replace the two former board members, as well as
its committment to expand the number of members on the board of
directors at the earliest convenience, up to a number of 11 members
maximum. Due to its commitment to involve members from the community, at
least half of the new members will be appointed for a term ending at the
next board elections, in june 2008.
It is my great pleasure to announce you the new stewards, freshly
promoted by Cary.
Andre Engels (hmmm, not so new)
Welcome to all of you !
Andrew Whitworth wrote:
>> I have to say that I agree with Birgitte here. For me, Foundation-l has
>> becoming incresasingly useless as a mailing list because it is so
>> frequently dominated by people who seem to be very "bitter and
>> mean-spirited" to the point that they are on the attack no matter what
> So ignore them, block them, ban them, etc. If there are people whose
> mean-spiritedness is preventing us from conducting legitimate business
> here, or is preventing this list from being a useful resource, those
> people should be removed from it. It is not anybody's duty or
> responsibility to "put up" with people who are unhelpful,
> unproductive, and even counter-productive. This list has a purpose and
> "empowering trolls" or "dealing with trolls" is not that purpose.
>> I am unsure what we should do about foundation-l. It has become a
>> sewer. It is difficult to balance our very strong desire for an
>> unmoderated forum where people can feel comfortable making strong
>> criticisms (nothing wrong with that!) with a forum where trolls are
>> exhausting a lot of good people and spreading misinformation due to the
>> inability of others to keep up with the sheer volume of malice.
> I don't see why this list has to be "unmoderated". None of the wikis
> are unmoderated, and some of them are very strictly moderated. Set
> rules: legitimate users will follow them, trolls will not. This is not
> to say that the rules need to be complicated, or strict, etc. The
> rules may not even need to be explicit, set some moderators who have
> good judgement and tell them that they will "know it when they see
> it". Hell, it works for pornography in the US, it will work for trolls
> on the mailinglist.
> I would also submit a small disagreement that this list has become a
> "sewer", but it's effectiveness has certainly been limited
> --Andrew Whitworth
I fully agree with you Andrew.
Several years ago, I was not really supportive of putting people in
moderation, but in the past few months, I became a little bit bolder in
that regard. When I feel that some posters are really going too far, I
put them in moderation. For example, I did that in the past with
Anthony, and more recently with Geni. I think it was rather helpful.
This was noted a few days ago on the Fundraising FAQ, but to help spread
the word, the fundraiser is now scheduled to end on January 3. This
extension of time will allow some more testing with the new fundraising
site. Also, considering that donations increased over the weekend
following Thanksgiving in the US, if people are feeling more generous
over the holidays (or just trying to beat the end of the tax year), so
much the better.
Sorry to be late to the party, but I'm wondering if
Erik (or Sue) were aware of this (very long and drawn
out) discussion on Wikiversity:
That would be my only concern about holding advisory
positions in other related projects, since it can (at
least potentially) create conflicts of interest
between promoting or otherwise bolstering foundation
projects vs. non-foundation projects.
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