I would like to offer my apologies for the tone of my previous mail, which may have been slightly too rough :)
Congratulations for the baby!
As Jean-Christophe, I'm slightly concerned, because of the 3 board members you seem to me the more "visible" on the mailing lists, often launching new ideas, explaining things, and such.
Therefore I'm afraid your wikibreak will make the board less visible - but i hope to be totally wrong on that point :)
Enjoy your wikibreak, Anthere. You deserve it, as much as anyone having invested as much time you did in Wikimedia. And we'll manage, somehow, to survive even without you ^_- So don't worry about us.
Nicolas
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--- Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> It will just be for a couple of days so that I sleep, think and recover.
> So, do not worry. Won't make much of a difference dearie.
I'm glad to hear that. Rest well Ant, you deserve it. :)
--mav
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Okay
This has little to do with a supposed "upper circle".
I guess everyone has a need for a break from time to time.
If I just consider recent times with people around me :
Tim has consider entirely giving up wikipedia for a while, and is hopefully back though with less activity
Elian was on a wikibreak about 3 weeks ago
Sannse is currently on wikibreak though I do not know why. I just heard it was because of my proposal on OTRS. I know nothing more.
Ellisllk has decided to quit wikipedia recently, asking me to unsysop him on wikipedia and wikiquote
Danny is on wikibreak due to me not telling him what he expected, and he made at least 3 or 4 wikibreaks in the past months
Sj has been on and off since december
Yourself, Villy, has been on a big wikibreak in january and part of february (right ?)
Dunno about you, but I do not see a lot of Angela these days. Love is getting her busy.
Aphaia quit participating to some projects
Etc...
And likely, dozen of wikipedians are everyday on a break
We do not always know why they do it.
Some people live wikipedia passionately, others have more of an equal mood. Not everyone is equal in front of stress and disappointment.
Yeah, I thought of explaining more why I am currently tired. But really, this should be obvious by the past days mails here. The rest of it is private issues.
Perhaps I can only add four points.
First, in the past few days, I did not sufficiently listened to others. I should have listened more. Or I should just have keep my mouth shut entirely. So perhaps it is more loss of faith in myself than in the project ?
Second, to listen more to others however, it would be helpful that they talk. When they do not talk, it is really hard to know where to put feet, and it is hard to represent mute people. Typical example would be the proposal for OTRS. I may be the one concerned by the amount of mails to answer, but we might be all concerned by what we want the Foundation to become, a family kinda stuff, or something a bit more organised. If so, I would love to hear opinions on this. Please see the amount of feedback on this. I may have a responsability toward users, but I think that in a similar sort of way, users have a responsability toward me. Either one of support, or one of criticism, or suggesting other ideas... dunno... uh... something... less silent possibly ?
Third, I had some bad proprietary thoughts. I still think that images I uploaded on wikipedia are mine in a sense. I should not. If someone delete them, I should just not mind at all. Many of the texts I added to Wikipedia in three years have disappeared, remix in other people texts. They never asked me if they could remove my inputs. I think it is okay. I should not mind either that my images are deleted from Wikipedia (if I repeat it every morning, I should get convinced perhaps ?)
Fourth, I really physically need a break. Aside from all above considerations. The last week has been very heavy for me at work, very little sleep. No heat at home for 4 days while outside temperature was below -10�C. I slept the whole saturday afternoon, which did not prevent me from falling asleep at 10 pm the same day. As I have already announced to a couple of wikipedians, I am waiting for a third baby, and I feel I need rest badly right now. I am tired. At least, I should focus on what is really important. Perhaps answering the pile of mails left in my mail box. Oh well. Whatever.
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Thank you for your answer Ant. As to my *wikibreak*, you know
its cause and how deeply personal it was. But there's another
difference. I'm not the vice-president of Foundation in a 3
member board, so my own wikibreak was totally meaningless as
to the projects. Wikibreak is a vague word and I'm concerned
when it applies to one of the 3 persons directing the project.
Now, I understand you're tired, I do repeat my congratulations
on your future baby and kiss you love.
~~villy
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>The email problem seems to me like a bad spot showing
>more than you are
>talking about. What about gathering a volunteer staff
>like any non-profit
>organization ? I doubt very much the Red Croos
>association or Amnesty
>International coping the routine chores with 3
persons. >For the rest of it,
>I am of course willing to help on legal matters the
way >you find
>appropriate, your suggestion seems allright to me.
>villy
Thank you for understanding the thought being my idea
Villy.
I had many comments on irc, most positive. Some also
proposed their help by mail.
Initially, I had thought of putting it all on the
current board list. However, Angela noted this
possible requirement issue about privacy, which indeed
seems potentially problematic to me. She is rather
supportive of the two queue idea.
Jimbo is supportive of the idea of delegating, but
think a two board queue is too complicated, so would
rather support keeping it all in one queue, the
current board one. And allowing two people to help for
now.
Note that this would in effect help us with the mails,
but go against the privacy supported by Angela, and
not go in the direction of creation of a volunteer
staff... unless the people allowed on this unique
board list is much bigger than currently suggested.
I agree a two board queue is more complicated, but on
the other hand, it allowed any mail to be at least
once seen by one of us.
As for the requirement of privacy, it could possibly
be left out if we are very very clear to say that
mails will not be "private" (though we would ask
allowed people on otrs to swear discretion I suppose).
In this case, private mails to board would be the
solution.
Currently, nothing seems clearly decided then.
Ant
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I'll agree with Jean-Christophe. I'm sorry Anthere, but you have some responsability towards users, so you can't just break without at least a short explanation :)
(which, granted, can wait a few days)
And if those are issues that concern everyone, you should just spill'em on the mailing lists, so that everyone knows what is happening. And if totally private, well... ill-luck.
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Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales schreef:
> I see three candidates for Steward in this thread so
far:
> Yann, waerth, Danny.
>
> Why don't I just make them all 3 stewards and we are
done with it?
[cut]
>
> Having big public elections for everything is a bad
idea. People will
> not be elected unless they are famous, but the way
to get famous is not
> the same thing as the way to be qualified for a
technical position.
>
> Imagine if we elected our developers for example...
>
> --Jimbo
I vote for this option ;-)
--
[[w:nl:gebruiker:walter]]
Imagine the day we nominate developers...
So, right now, Jimbo, you should nominate
Britty
Waerth
Yann
Aurevilly
Fire
Oscar
It would be fair to wait for possibly 2 weeks so that
the fact non-elections will occur be public and any
intersted person can candidate.
I would love to see more people speaking asian
languages, such as chinese, and more for African
countries (possibly arab).
ant
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Hi all
In the past months, some editors have expressed the
desire to become stewards. At the same time, some
editors expressed the regret that there is no steward
able to understand japanese or chinese and finally
some editors complained current stewards were
sometimes too slow to answer requests.
For these reasons, a new election to name a couple
more stewards will be held in the near future, as soon
as we agree on the election rules.
The past year activity showed that to be most useful a
steward :
* had to be available
* had to participate to request for permission and
steward log activity
* had to be ready to help in many languages (hence be
involved in the international community) rather than
only in his or her mother language.
Actually, we rather discourage steward activity in
one's own language for any removal of status.
This suggests to me the following rules
* it is useless to keep in steward list an inactive
steward. Activity is show best by activity on "request
for permission" (log is sometimes lost). I hence
suggest that any steward with no edits on RfP and no
mention in the log for 6 months be listed as inactive
and with no activity for a year, be removed.
* a new election will be held in march (or soon)
* candidates should have shown implication in
international matters, so we could possibly require
that the candidate has sysop status on meta.
* Candidates should have at least 80% support (neutral
not counted)
* Anyone can vote provided that the editor has a valid
account on meta with a link to at least one user page
on a project where the editor is a participant
* In case of suspicion of sock puppetry, developers
could be asked to check and sock puppet votes
cancelled.
What do you think ?
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards
Ant
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