Wikimedia-l November 2005

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[Foundation-l] Re:[Wikipedia-l] Re: New Language
by David Gerard 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Wikipedia Romania (Ronline) wrote: >I think the dialect vs language debate is >basically about which languages are fixed and which aren't. Dialects >generally don't tend to be standardised and recognised, whereas languages >are. e.g., English. Er, hold on ... - d.

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[Foundation-l] Re: [Wikipedia-l] Status of Wikimedia
by David Gerard 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Jimbo wrote: >I want to use a hypothetical example so as to avoid the risk of speaking >ignorantly on any particular case. There is no need for a Wikipedia to >save the "Bostonian" language, because there is no such language. There >is, most likely, a Bostonian _accent_, or perhaps (if we are generous) a >Bostonian _dialect_, but there is no Bostonian _language_. >This is particularly true if we are speaking of formal written >Bostonian, the written language of the people of Boston. It might be >hard for me to understand the slang of some cabdrivers and bartenders in >Boston, but I can read their newspapers just fine. English is, I think, a special case. Look at some newspaper articles from Jamaica: http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20051114/flair/flair7.html Are those quotes in English, a dialect or a language? It's just thrown in the middle there with the expectation that the English-speaking readers will take it in their stride. I'd go "huh?" but evidently I'd be wrong to do so. Half the local dialects in England would probably qualify as European minor languages if they hadn't been swamped by the south-eastern version via the BBC. - d.

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[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation website
by Anthere 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Hello, The website has been refurbished in the past few weeks. You may see it at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home If some people feel like improving the design, please do (we can work on this on meta or on the foundation site depending on those interested). Note that the main page offers various places for input, either from the board/officers or from editors themselves. Amongst the latest additions, please see the opinion of an editor on Le Louvres, the famous french museum, hosting art such as La Joconde, and which has recently taken the stance to forbid entirely any picture taking. This is currently available in english, french and german. Here : http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/It_is_forbidden_to_take_pictures_%21 The next steps are currently these ones : * Setting up a new complete board report (do not go for now, it is still under work :-)) * We expect a complete financial report of the last fiscal year within a month or so * I invite you to work on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_use_or_reuse_our_content to put on the foundation site later What I would love to is to set up a FAQ in the next weeks. I only created the page for now (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_use_or_reuse_our_content) and invite everyone to put what he thinks are the most basic questions anyone not knowing *anything* about the Foundation could find useful. I'll go around here and there in village pumps to ask for help on this. For now, just knowing which could be the top 15 questions on the organisation would be great. Other than that, remember that you are welcome to participate. If someone does an interview of an important person... if someone wants to make a report on Wikimania, or clarify a legal issue, or is ready to write a general article on one of our projects, or the wikireaders... please do not feel shy and contact us :-) Ant __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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[Foundation-l] Re: check user policy/Tor
by Amgine 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

> Wiki projects do not need to know my IP address, and I'm not going to > provide it. If you don't want my edits under those conditions, it's your > loss I agree entirely with this statement. When I compare (anecdotally) the cost of accepting Tor edits with their benefit, the cost far outweighs any gain. I would not easily suggest limiting any source of positive contributions, but anonymizing hosts are not a net positive; quite the opposite. We should not need to know your IP, but by insuring we cannot know your IP you also add yourself to a class of users who are not beneficial to the Wikimedia projects. This is an opt-in situation for you, and Wikimedia has no ability to separate you from the spammers and vandals who likewise prevent us from knowing their IP. Anonymizers should not be considered a problem, but rather a very useful identifying tool. Make their anonymity a feature, rather than a drawback. Amgine

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews is giving out press credentials
by Daniel Mayer 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

--- Samuel Klein <sjklein(a)hcs.harvard.edu> wrote: > Soufron's points suggest the foundation avoid approving accreditation or > similar processes; leaving it entirely to community groups. If someone > wanted to sue the 'editors' for actions by someone with a press pass, they > would have to do exactly that -- just as one would have to sue individual > encyclopedia editors for libel. To me they suggested that the whole process should be entirely removed. I asked of clarification on that point. -- mav __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews is giving out press credentials
by SJ 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

Soufron's points suggest the foundation avoid approving accreditation or similar processes; leaving it entirely to community groups. If someone wanted to sue the 'editors' for actions by someone with a press pass, they would have to do exactly that -- just as one would have to sue individual encyclopedia editors for libel. > And this leads to my third and more important point. Accreditating people > will transform the Foundation from being a publisher to becoming an editor... The foundation is not a publisher afaik, and I don't see how any policy decided by community members would make it an editor. SJ (ps - If you write for EB or publish an article in the Boston Globe, there is someone out there protecting you from personal liability. Not so with Wikipedia and sister projects; perhaps we need a neon warning on the edit screen, just below the DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION.)

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[Foundation-l] Is Wikimedia a publisher?
by Anthony DiPierro 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

On 11/11/05, Jean-Baptiste Soufron <jbsoufron(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Unions accreditating journalists will certainly be mad at it (as in > France), and it would picture the foundation as a liable editor rather > as a not-liable publisher. I thought it was the position of the foundation that it wasn't even a publisher, but rather an ISP, essentially a common carrier.

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[Foundation-l] URGENT: Call of Paper KnowRight 2006 DEADLINE 15.11.05
by Patrick Danowski 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

Hallo alltogehter, found this Call of Paper and thought it will be kewl if someone can present the view of the Wikimedia Foundation. The deadline for submissions is the 15.11.05 but when you signal interest it can be extendet. Contact: Erich Schweighofer,U.Vienna&WZRI, A Erich.Schweighofer(a)univie.ac.at I have absolutly no time in moment to do it myself. Please write me a short massage if you will do it ;-) PatrickD ----------------------------------------------------------- Call for Papers and Contributions KnowRight 2006 Knowledge Rights – Legal, Societal and Related Technological Aspects http://KnowRight06.ocg.at University of Vienna (Juridicum - Law Faculty Building) 16 - 17 February 2006 Organized by: Austrian Computer Society (OCG) jointly with IRIS (Internationales Rechtsinformatik Symposium) http://www.univie.ac.at/RI/IRIS2006/ CONFERENCE OUTLINE This conference will resume the general interest of the KnowRight Conferences, held since 1995, on the interaction of Intellectual Property Rights, related Information Rights, Ethical Problems, and Information Dependent Technology. It will be supported by the Austrian Computer Society and will be held in tandem with the IRIS conference (Internationales Rechtsinformatik Symposion). It will provide strong emphasis on the social environment in which the intellectual and information property system, information services, mobile applications, e-commerce and the electronic civil society evolve. The concept of an ”Information Society” or "Knowledge Society" is neither well defined nor are its foundations and implications well understood. Governments and authorities in many countries and regions (e.g. the EU) are still discussing options to establish and regulate at least special aspects of an Information Society. Increasingly it becomes harder to master future technologies with traditional laws based on national or regional methods and concepts. We have to develop new forms of international legal regimes and practices. They should empower coordinated means to avoid abuse of such new technologies.. Fairness should be preserved in the emerging non-local availability of up to now local resources. Open Source and Open Content are investigated as examples of dynamic innovations of legal concepts. The conference will discuss which requirements - such as safety and security of related methods and media - must be fulfilled and how these requirements may be enforced. Which regulations and preventive measures should be promoted in the light of conflicting interests. Regulating the flow of information must guarantee that clashes between individual rights (e.g. of intellectual/ industrial property, privacy and data protection) and collective demands (e.g. for security, universal access as well as preserving and expanding the heritage of mankind) are treated and resolved in human ways. Information in the public domain on the wired or unwired communication channels should deserve special attention. Commercial interests should be balanced with moral and civic obligations. MAJOR CONFERENCE TOPICS Intellectual Property • Status of IP law for e-products and e-services • Bundle of WIPO Treaties: To be enlarged? • TRIPS: Efficient against large scale IP infringements? • Competition and regulation in the music and video industry • Media and entertainment law - responsibility and liability of IPproviders • Rules for mobile applications • Private use and fair use of intellectual property • Rights management systems • Open source and open content • Open access: Copyright restrictions for science and research • Copyright and copyleft • Global trademarks • Software patents Access to and Reuse of Public Sector and Private Information • Freedom of information and data protection • Access to public documents • Legal framework of public sector information reuse • Socioeconomic conditions of PSI reuse • Extent of and limitations on database protection in Europe • Long term archiving of public and private information Network Security • Technological proposals and implementations • Embedding regulation into hard- and software • Regulations and their development • Privacy and identification - electronic identities • Authentification, authorisation and remuneration • Electronic signatures • Fraud on the internet: Tech-tools and legal framework • Online policing Data protection • Pervasive computing • Automatic “forgetting” of database • Retention of data • Legal means against violation of data protection Information Ethics • Information in the public domain - balancing commercial interests with moral and civic obligations • Fair use concept at the global level: equitable use of global and local knowledge • Access to personal data: protecting citizens' and users’ security and privacy versus public interest • Equity in the access to information (tariffs, fees, taxes) • Special regulation for developing countries? • Free speech and censorship • Minors access to violence and adult content • Age verification and privacy • Responsibility of internet professionals Don't feel restricted if your innovative topic fits the general purpose of the conference but none of the special items on the list. PROGRAM COMMITTEE (co-chairs bold) John Bing, Univ. of Oslo, NO, - jonb(a)jus.uio.no (Jon Bing) Walter Blocher, Vienna U Busin Adm, AT walter.blocher(a)wu-wien.ac.at Daniele Bourcier, University of Paris II, FR - bourcier(a)msh-paris.fr Alfred Büllesbach, Bremen,DE Alfred.Buellesbach(a)daimlerchrysler.com Gunter Ertl, Regional Court of Appeal, AT - g.ertl(a)kabsi.at Fernando Galindo, Univ. of Zaragoza, ES, cfa(a)posta.unizar.es Jens Gaster, European Commission, EU - Jens.Gaster(a)cec.eu.int Thomas Hoeren, U.of Münster, DE, - Hoeren(a)uni-muenster.de Bernt Hugenholtz, Univ. of Amsterdam, NL, hugenholtz(a)ivir.nl Dietmar Jahnel, University of Salzburg, AT - Dietmar.Jahnel(a)sbg.ac.at Veith Risak, Univ.of Salzburg & Bratislava AT,CZ - risak(a)ocg.or.at Ahti Saarenpaa, Univ. Helsinki FI, Ahti.Saarenpaa(a)ulapland.fi Peter P Sint, Austrian Academy of Science, A - sint(a)oeaw.ac.at (Coordinator) A Min Tjoa, Univ. of Vienna, AT, tjoa(a)ifs.tuwien.ac.at Erich Schweighofer,U.Vienna&WZRI, A Erich.Schweighofer(a)univie.ac.at David Vaver, Univ.of Oxford, UK - david.vaver(a)st-peters.oxford.ac.uk Peter Wahlgren, Univ. Stockholm, SE, Peter.Wahlgren(a)juridicum.su.se Andreas Wiebe,Vienna U.Busin Adm.AT andreas.wiebe(a)wu-wien.ac.at SUBMISSION OF CONTRIBUTIONS Papers should be of high quality, original, unpublished, and not submitted elsewhere. Authors of papers are asked to submit an abstract or a full text version (strongly recommended) of the respective contribution (abstract: 2-4 pages including main references, full text: 8 to 10 pages). The guidelines for the final version are available at http://www.ocg.at/publikationen/books/paper.html. Submissions of contributions to the conference be handed in as printout and in electronic form to Austrian Computer Society Wollzeile 1-3 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe DEADLINES • Submission of full papers or abstracts: 15 November 2005 • Notification of acceptance: 30 November 2005 • Final paper: 20 December 2006 (some extensions may be negotiated) Due to the tight timetable and the target to have the published proceedings available during the conference try to send the papers by the beginning of November. CONFERENCE VENUE The conference will take place in the University of Vienna (Juridicum - Law Faculty building) in the city centre. CONFERENCE LANGUAGE The conference language willl be English. PARTICIPATION If you are interested in participation or to keep informed on the further development contact the Austrian Computer Society (OCG) KnowRight 2006 Wollzeile 1-3 A-1010 Vienna E-Mail: KR06(a)ocg.at Phone: +43 1 512 02 35, Fax: +43 1 512 02 35 9 or visit the conference webpages: http://KnowRight06.ocg.at (or http://www.univie.ac.at/RI/IRIS2006/ ) REGISTRATION AND PROCEEDINGS Authors should have registered by 10 Jan. 2006. Participation including conference proceedings and social event: EUR 70,-- The proceedings will be published by the Austrian Computer Society and will appear in the books@ocg series.

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Re: [Foundation-l] CheckUser questions
by David Gerard 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

Ec wrote: >daniwo59 at aol.com wrote: >>Although I have not been following this discussion, I was asked this evening >>to grant 5 arbitrators on the English Wikipedia CheckUser powers. >Are that many really needed? Six would be nice, yes please, kthx. Is this now going to be held up by another subgroup wanting to re-committee the entire issue from top to bottom? I'd hope not. - d.

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[Foundation-l] Help page mirroring and non-GFDL projects
by Michael Noda 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

Hi, this is something I asked on irc in #wikimedia earlier today, so apologies to those of you who have already read this. On projects like Wikinews which do not use the GFDL, Mediawiki Help pages are still copied from Meta to the Help: namespace as an aid to editors. However, I noticed that for these pages, (for instance, <http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Help:Diff>), the only copyright notice is the Wikinews default on the bottom of the page: "All content created after September 25, 2005 is available under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License unless otherwise specified." Of course, at the top of the same page, it is acknowledged that the text is copied from <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Diff>, which, like all pages on Meta, carries the legend "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License." My question is, is the Wikinews page kosher with the GFDL? If so, why? If not, what specifically must be done to make it compliant? As I first started poking around these pages on behalf of a non-WMF MediaWiki instance that would also like to mirror Help pages from Meta locally, I would appreciate it if the general case of a non-GFDL wiki using GFDL help pages could be addressed, and not just the particular instance of Wikinews. Since we're brand-new and haven't chosen a license yet, this will influence our direction in coming to a decision there. Many thanks for your time, --Michael Noda

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