While we are at it, it seem http://www.wiktionary.org redirect to the
And well, most of our other projects as well.
Actually, once we set a nice display for www.wikipedia.org, could we
reuse it for all our project portal page ?
I do apologize for claiming that Quarto II was on the foundation website. I did find it on meta. There is a lot more content here now.
I have been copyediting a paper copy of an earlier version. Do you want me to continue or not. For this amount of content some assistance would help.
As I said earlier, if you are going to move it to foundation, I have to confirm my password. I am listed there as an editor. Also, I could really use an update on what has been going on.
Wikipedia and Wikimedia were once created to start an encyclopedia.
Now we have more, we have wikis for dictionaries, books, source
material, citations, multimedia files, biological species, victims of
The positive way to say it would be to state that we are extending our
reach. But is that the case? Looking at the history, I have the
feeling they are all weak compromises between deletionists and
inclusionists. Some wanted to delete dictionary definitions, others
wanted to keep them. No agreement. So we make a special wiki for that,
and both can be happy. They are not deleted, and they are not kept in
Wikipedia. Some want to delete source files, others don't. Another
Wiki. Some want to include how-tos and such, others don't. Another
Wiki. Some want to include all 9/11 victims, others don't. And indeed.
Is this good? From one point of view it is. We have two parties, and
we find a compromise. From another point of view, it just shows that
we cannot make any real decisions. I guess it's the wiki way. We are
good at making compromises, we are totally incapable at making
What am I saying here? I don't really know. But I do want to have said
it. Do your advantage with it, or throw it away. Whatever.
David Gerard wrote:
>Fred Bauder (fredbaud(a)ctelco.net) [050106 22:37]:
>>While there are families, and certain ethnic groups who are into this kind
>>of thing, indeed almost a mass movement, those folks are already doing their
>>thing in other established venues and may not come over to our new project
>>in sufficient numbers to make it viable.
>How about pointing some of these genealogists at Wikicities, if they're
>willing to use GFDL? Then the stuff could be ported to a future Wikipeople
>if it looks workable.
Actually, since genealogy focuses almost exclusively on factual
information (family relationships, dates and places of birth, marriage,
death, etc.) the use of a given license is not particularly an issue. At
least under US law, this material is no more susceptible to copyright
than a telephone directory. (The content of written memorials, variously
proposed for inclusion in Wikipeople, would be a different matter legally.)
Besides the fact that "free as in speech" is less applicable, another
challenge for the idea generally is the fact that vast amounts of it are
already available for free (the other kind of freedom), including on the
internet. So while it might fit in with our mission philosophically, the
necessity for us to get involved is much less.
Where information is needed in the genealogical field, it is more often
because it was never generated as public records, or because such
records were destroyed or have yet to be uncovered. And filling these
gaps runs into the "original research" territory that we largely avoid.
Who can help me, if I want to know, if it is legal, that a wikipedia editor
prepares a collection of quotes, that an other wikipedia editor wrote in
diverse articles, and puts this collection onto a wikipedia page? The quotes
exclusively from one wikipedia editor.
This is what the gdfl says:
4. modifications The author(s) and publisher(s) of the Document do not by
License give permission to use their names for publicity for or to assert or
imply endorsement of any Modified Version.
8. translation Translation is considered a kind of modification, so you may
distribute translations of the Document under the terms of section 4.
9. termination You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the
except as expressly provided for under this License. Any other attempt to
modify, sublicense or distribute the Document is void, and will
terminate your rights under this License. However, parties who have received
copies, or rights, from you under this License will not have their licenses
terminated so long as such parties remain in full compliance.
Thanks in advance, Eleonora
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Since a couple of days it has been unable to edit some wikimedia pages : on meta, on species.
When editing again the edit window is empty and after saving however I've edited something the page is empty. What to to do ?
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> > 2) would this prevent said wiki being eventually merged with
> > mediawiki (under, say wikibooks, or in its own category)?
> > I see that at 'http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html' they
> > list the Free BSD license as 'compatible' with the GPL, but I'm
> > not exactly sure what that means...
> > Ed
> Hello Ed,
> MW: MediaWiki is the software and is published under GPL.
> WP: WikiPedia is the free encyclopedia project
> WM: WikiMedia is a foundation that host several projects (including
Right.. I understand the distinction between the software's license
and the content's license - but what I was wondering is does
the wikimedia *foundation* have a policy against accepting a
sister project's content with a different license than the Gnu FDL?
I sincerely believe that the FreeBSD is a better fit for my wiki
than the GnuFDL - especially because it can be sublicensed - but hesitate
to do so if it would jeapordize having the wiki accepted as a sister
Anyways, I'm moving this over to foundation-l, now that I look at it,
it seems a better fit there..
--- Erik Moeller <erik_moeller at gmx.de> wrote:
> I've updated the Wikipedia/Wikimedia shop at
> There's a few new Wikipedia products, including an updated tile coaster
> with the new skin. There's also a new section of products featuring the
> Wikimedia Foundation logo.
And let's not forget the magnificent Wikipedia thong! :)
And... a bra with... a wikipedia ball on the top of each cup ?
Jimbo could even host the bra, with a girl model wearing it...
on bomis website ?
Guys, let's be creative here...
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Well, this is all really interesting. This is exactly what we need.I looked at your website, and quickly at two of the books, and I was really impressed.
I was impressed by the amount of work by a relative little number of people... but I also thought of one of our french editor, a retiree, currently importing the entirety of his courses on "tribologie" (lubricants) in wikipedia/wikibooks.
We indeed may have a huge amount of knowledge in the encyclopedia, but to do textbooks, we need to stick to the local curriculum, and this can basically only be done by a local teacher/professor (local is related to nation in my mind :)). They exactly know how to organise the book and which content to fit in.
And this is precisely what you are doing...
I would like to know more about how your organisation intends to finance these books, and MOSTLY what you can foresee in terms of distribution.
Are you on irc so that we can discuss this real time ?
I would like to add a little to this discussion.
I am from South Africa, which is one of the African
countries in better shape, though things are not
Africa, in general, is in a bad way (really bad
depending on where you look, Darfur, Congo, Liberia,
etc.) but I think that for once there is really a glimmer
of hope. For the first time African's have been trying,
I'll admit success is still way off, to solve Africa's
problems. Its not possible to do it alone but the mindset
has finally changed. I am prepared to discuss this at length but
its not the purpose of my email - I just want to set a scene.
In Southern Africa there is peace for the first time. Angola's
civil war very recently ended, Namibia is peaceful, Botswana has no
prospects of war, Mozambique fought itself to a standstill and now
there is peace (peace != schools, money, infrastructure etc.), Swaziland
and Lesotho are also peaceful and so is South Africa. Zimbabwe has
some issues but largely Southern Africa is stable and so now is the
prime opportunity to lay a foundation for lasting peace which will hopefully
How does this tie in with your discussion, well I feel that a key
area for solid peace is to stimulate education - Africa needs teachers,
doctors, engineers, nurses etc. and the best thing for Africa is that
they come from Africa and not be visitors as part of an international
aid program (I think that aid is very necessary but its just not a sustainable
So languages and education - well an organisation like wikimedia can help
a stack with education. No computers in rural villages I agree but I have shown
that (http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst) science textbooks can be reduced in cost
by an order of magnitude. This can only help stretch those limited education
budgets in Africa much further. The content we have written as part of FHSST
will be migrated into WikiBooks very soon - I am working on it but Latex2Wiki
isn't the simplest mapping I've ever seen.
Due to the colonies that once existed free textbooks in English, French and Portuguese
could make a huge impact across Africa. If they are cheap (we estimate $3 per copy of
our Physics book - hard colour cover and bound) then its easier to distribute
them, raise enough money and save money for training of teachers and other resources.
WikiBooks and its large user base could very quickly help to produce such texts which
could really make a difference ( I would start in Southern Africa where things are more stable
and then move North).
And we are workign from the inside - we are an organisation within AFrica
releasing books - its not a case of Europeans rocking up (again ;) and telling
everyone how its supposed to be done.
Just my 2 cents worth (well maybe a bit more).
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