Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered?
--Martijn
Hi Martijn,
Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment.
We did consider all options and various currency payment options, but we settled on credit card payments as the being most accessible method internationally and the simplest for us to administrate at this scale.
I hope this doesn't prevent you from attending.
Best
Stuart
On 3 June 2014 11:26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoekstra@gmail.com wrote:
Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered?
--Martijn
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If there is any way to include a Paypal option, I think it would be very helpful. Restriction to a credit card payment option may significantly impact younger or less wealthy attendees, particularly those not from the European/North American sphere. Even I would prefer to use Paypal because the currency conversion costs are significantly lower than that charged by credit card companies.
Risker/Anne
On 4 June 2014 10:33, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Martijn,
Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment.
We did consider all options and various currency payment options, but we settled on credit card payments as the being most accessible method internationally and the simplest for us to administrate at this scale.
I hope this doesn't prevent you from attending.
Best
Stuart
On 3 June 2014 11:26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoekstra@gmail.com wrote:
Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered?
--Martijn
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Hi there,
we had this discussion with the attendees having a scholarship from WMDE already. In fact even in Germany not everyone of them own a credit card, so that we have to find ways that one pays for others. I don't think that the limitation of only credit card payment is a very wise desicion. PayPal would be a reasonable add.
Best, Steffen
2014-06-04 16:44 GMT+02:00 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com:
If there is any way to include a Paypal option, I think it would be very helpful. Restriction to a credit card payment option may significantly impact younger or less wealthy attendees, particularly those not from the European/North American sphere. Even I would prefer to use Paypal because the currency conversion costs are significantly lower than that charged by credit card companies.
Risker/Anne
On 4 June 2014 10:33, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Martijn,
Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment.
We did consider all options and various currency payment options, but we settled on credit card payments as the being most accessible method internationally and the simplest for us to administrate at this scale.
I hope this doesn't prevent you from attending.
Best
Stuart
On 3 June 2014 11:26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoekstra@gmail.com wrote:
Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered?
--Martijn
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-- *Stuart Prior* *Wikimania Liaison* *Wikimedia UK* +44 20 7065 0990
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*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
-- Steffen Prößdorf Treasurer, member of the board Wikimedia Germany - Association for the promotion of free knowledge http://wikimedia.de Imagine a world, in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment.
For what it’s worth, I managed to pay with my Visa debit card from Denmark.
best Joe
On 4 June 2014 at 04:01:01 pm, Steffen Prößdorf (steffen.proessdorf@wikimedia.de) wrote:
Hi there, we had this discussion with the attendees having a scholarship from WMDE already. In fact even in Germany not everyone of them own a credit card, so that we have to find ways that one pays for others. I don't think that the limitation of only credit card payment is a very wise desicion. PayPal would be a reasonable add. Best, Steffen
2014-06-04 16:44 GMT+02:00 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com: If there is any way to include a Paypal option, I think it would be very helpful. Restriction to a credit card payment option may significantly impact younger or less wealthy attendees, particularly those not from the European/North American sphere. Even I would prefer to use Paypal because the currency conversion costs are significantly lower than that charged by credit card companies. Risker/Anne
On 4 June 2014 10:33, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi Martijn,
Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment.
We did consider all options and various currency payment options, but we settled on credit card payments as the being most accessible method internationally and the simplest for us to administrate at this scale.
I hope this doesn't prevent you from attending.
Best
Stuart
On 3 June 2014 11:26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoekstra@gmail.com wrote: Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered?
--Martijn
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As I’ve already mentioned on the wiki, I paid by debit card too, and I’m based in the UK. On the registration page on Eventbite there’s nothing to say that only credit cards are accepted, in fact it explicitly states Visa debit is accepted, so from what I can see, debit cards are fine. I know that in informal English when someone says “we accept credit card” that normally implicitly includes debit cards, but there is still a potential for confusion, and this seems to have thrown a few people here. I’m therefore editing the registration page to make things clearer.
Kind regards,
Christopher
User: CT Cooper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
From: Joseph Fox [mailto:josephfoxwiki@gmail.com] Sent: 04 June 2014 16:02 To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Registration payment options
For what it’s worth, I managed to pay with my Visa debit card from Denmark.
best
Joe
On 4 June 2014 at 04:01:01 pm, Steffen Prößdorf (steffen.proessdorf@wikimedia.de) wrote:
Hi there,
we had this discussion with the attendees having a scholarship from WMDE already. In fact even in Germany not everyone of them own a credit card, so that we have to find ways that one pays for others.
I don't think that the limitation of only credit card payment is a very wise desicion. PayPal would be a reasonable add.
Best,
Steffen
2014-06-04 16:44 GMT+02:00 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com:
If there is any way to include a Paypal option, I think it would be very helpful. Restriction to a credit card payment option may significantly impact younger or less wealthy attendees, particularly those not from the European/North American sphere. Even I would prefer to use Paypal because the currency conversion costs are significantly lower than that charged by credit card companies.
Risker/Anne
On 4 June 2014 10:33, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Martijn,
Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment.
We did consider all options and various currency payment options, but we settled on credit card payments as the being most accessible method internationally and the simplest for us to administrate at this scale.
I hope this doesn't prevent you from attending.
Best
Stuart
On 3 June 2014 11:26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoekstra@gmail.com wrote:
Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered?
--Martijn
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Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
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Pretty sure the difference is that in the US, “debit cards” as we Brits know them are rare.
Joe
On 4 June 2014 at 06:13:12 pm, Christopher Cooper (ct-cooper.wikimedia.ml@hotmail.co.uk) wrote:
As I’ve already mentioned on the wiki, I paid by debit card too, and I’m based in the UK. On the registration page on Eventbite there’s nothing to say that only credit cards are accepted, in fact it explicitly states Visa debit is accepted, so from what I can see, debit cards are fine. I know that in informal English when someone says “we accept credit card” that normally implicitly includes debit cards, but there is still a potential for confusion, and this seems to have thrown a few people here. I’m therefore editing the registration page to make things clearer.
Kind regards,
Christopher
User: CT Cooper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
From: Joseph Fox [mailto:josephfoxwiki@gmail.com] Sent: 04 June 2014 16:02 To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Registration payment options
For what it’s worth, I managed to pay with my Visa debit card from Denmark.
best
Joe
On 4 June 2014 at 04:01:01 pm, Steffen Prößdorf (steffen.proessdorf@wikimedia.de) wrote:
Hi there,
we had this discussion with the attendees having a scholarship from WMDE already. In fact even in Germany not everyone of them own a credit card, so that we have to find ways that one pays for others.
I don't think that the limitation of only credit card payment is a very wise desicion. PayPal would be a reasonable add.
Best,
Steffen
2014-06-04 16:44 GMT+02:00 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com:
If there is any way to include a Paypal option, I think it would be very helpful. Restriction to a credit card payment option may significantly impact younger or less wealthy attendees, particularly those not from the European/North American sphere. Even I would prefer to use Paypal because the currency conversion costs are significantly lower than that charged by credit card companies.
Risker/Anne
On 4 June 2014 10:33, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Martijn,
Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment.
We did consider all options and various currency payment options, but we settled on credit card payments as the being most accessible method internationally and the simplest for us to administrate at this scale.
I hope this doesn't prevent you from attending.
Best
Stuart
On 3 June 2014 11:26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoekstra@gmail.com wrote:
Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered?
--Martijn
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+44 20 7065 0990
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Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
-- Steffen Prößdorf Treasurer, member of the board Wikimedia Germany - Association for the promotion of free knowledge http://wikimedia.de Imagine a world, in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That‘s our commitment.
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On 6/4/2014 10:14 AM, Joseph Fox wrote:
Pretty sure the difference is that in the US, “debit cards” as we Brits know them are rare.
Not at all, debit cards are a routine feature for checking accounts in the US. But yes, if your debit card has a logo for one of the big payment processors, then most merchants displaying that logo should be able to accept it, even if their transactions use a credit function rather than the debit function.
--Michael Snow
On Jun 4, 2014 10:37 AM, "Michael Snow" wikipedia@frontier.com wrote:
On 6/4/2014 10:14 AM, Joseph Fox wrote:
Pretty sure the difference is that in the US, “debit cards” as we Brits
know them are rare.
Not at all, debit cards are a routine feature for checking accounts in
the US. But yes, if your debit card has a logo for one of the big payment processors, then most merchants displaying that logo should be able to accept it, even if their transactions use a credit function rather than the debit function.
The problem is that in many continental European countries, MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers etc are things that most people don't have. Payments are made using chip&PIN cards or bank transfer.
I've always been baffled by how hesitant UK-based individuals and companies are to give me their bank account information (so I can send them money), citing security concerns.
Roan
Roan,
I don't mean to sound daft, but Chip & PIN cards are (at least here) MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers. The two are the same?
The reason people are cautious about giving out bank details is because of things like this: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/clarksons_account_gets_h... ...
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On 4 June 2014 18:58, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 4, 2014 10:37 AM, "Michael Snow" wikipedia@frontier.com wrote:
On 6/4/2014 10:14 AM, Joseph Fox wrote:
Pretty sure the difference is that in the US, “debit cards” as we Brits
know them are rare.
Not at all, debit cards are a routine feature for checking accounts in
the US. But yes, if your debit card has a logo for one of the big payment processors, then most merchants displaying that logo should be able to accept it, even if their transactions use a credit function rather than the debit function.
The problem is that in many continental European countries, MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers etc are things that most people don't have. Payments are made using chip&PIN cards or bank transfer.
I've always been baffled by how hesitant UK-based individuals and companies are to give me their bank account information (so I can send them money), citing security concerns.
Roan
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On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Richard Symonds < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Roan,
I don't mean to sound daft, but Chip & PIN cards are (at least here) MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers. The two are the same?
Unfortunately (at least here), no.
--Martijn
The reason people are cautious about giving out bank details is because of things like this: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/clarksons_account_gets_h... ...
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On 4 June 2014 18:58, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 4, 2014 10:37 AM, "Michael Snow" wikipedia@frontier.com wrote:
On 6/4/2014 10:14 AM, Joseph Fox wrote:
Pretty sure the difference is that in the US, “debit cards” as we
Brits know them are rare.
Not at all, debit cards are a routine feature for checking accounts in
the US. But yes, if your debit card has a logo for one of the big payment processors, then most merchants displaying that logo should be able to accept it, even if their transactions use a credit function rather than the debit function.
The problem is that in many continental European countries, MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers etc are things that most people don't have. Payments are made using chip&PIN cards or bank transfer.
I've always been baffled by how hesitant UK-based individuals and companies are to give me their bank account information (so I can send them money), citing security concerns.
Roan
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On Jun 4, 2014 11:04 AM, "Richard Symonds" richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Roan,
I don't mean to sound daft, but Chip & PIN cards are (at least
here) MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers. The two are the same?
They are in the UK, but not elsewhere. I have a Dutch chip&PIN card that works at UK stores but has no 16-digit number or anything else that lets you use it on line.
The reason people are cautious about giving out bank details is because
of things like this: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/clarksons_account_gets_h... ...
Wow. That's really bad. I'm surprised the center of the financial universe doesn't have a better system. Publishing bank details is common in .nl and direct debit fraud is rare (and harshly punished).
On topic: credit card penetration is lower than you (people living in counties where credit cards are ubiquitous) think. Even in many developed countries, even in places close to the UK, the average Joe does not have a credit card (or something compatible like a MC/Visa debit card). People only get them for international travel to certain countries, international payments to those countries, business-related reasons, that kind of stuff. Getting one takes time, and finding someone who already has one isn't always feasible. I recommend adding PayPal as a payment option.
Roan
On Jun 4, 2014 2:19 PM, "Roan Kattouw" roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
The reason people are cautious about giving out bank details is because
of things like this: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/clarksons_account_gets_h... ...
Wow. That's really bad. I'm surprised the center of the financial
universe doesn't have a better system. Publishing bank details is common in .nl and direct debit fraud is rare (and harshly punished).
In the US, and I guess other countries too you can get accounts that are not used for making payments at all (just receiving funds) so you don't have to worry as much about publishing the number. I think those are mostly used for big operations like a major charity. I guess then there's a set, unpublished whitelist of places that account cab transfer out to.
Also, in the US there is software that automatically removes or crops account/routing #s from check images. (e.g. what you get on a paper receipt on making a check deposit at an ATM. they give 3 options on screen for receipt: none, with images, without images) (I wonder if this mandated somehow?)
-Jeremy
From the Canadian perspective, people can have credit cards (16 digit chip
& PIN for Visa/Mastercard, others only 16 digits) and/or bank/interact debit cards (also 16 digit chip&PIN). The former are able to be used online; debit cards are for in-person transactions with very, very few exceptions.
Visa and Mastercard offer prepaid debit cards; however, their purchase fee is typically 10% of the value of the card (a $500 card costs $50) and the currency exchange rates and service charges associated with using a different currency is usually double or triple what banks or Paypal charge. The *real* cost of Wikimania registration using one of those debit cards would be approximately 40% higher than the face value of what Wikimania was actually charging.
Unless I miss my guess, scholarships are being paid to people via Paypal. I think that really points to the necessity of accepting at least Paypal as an acceptable alternative payment.
Risker
On 4 June 2014 14:03, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Roan,
I don't mean to sound daft, but Chip & PIN cards are (at least here) MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers. The two are the same?
The reason people are cautious about giving out bank details is because of things like this: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/clarksons_account_gets_h... ...
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
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*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 4 June 2014 18:58, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 4, 2014 10:37 AM, "Michael Snow" wikipedia@frontier.com wrote:
On 6/4/2014 10:14 AM, Joseph Fox wrote:
Pretty sure the difference is that in the US, “debit cards” as we
Brits know them are rare.
Not at all, debit cards are a routine feature for checking accounts in
the US. But yes, if your debit card has a logo for one of the big payment processors, then most merchants displaying that logo should be able to accept it, even if their transactions use a credit function rather than the debit function.
The problem is that in many continental European countries, MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers etc are things that most people don't have. Payments are made using chip&PIN cards or bank transfer.
I've always been baffled by how hesitant UK-based individuals and companies are to give me their bank account information (so I can send them money), citing security concerns.
Roan
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I know from when I was in fundraising there is an enormous amount of people in Europe (and elsewhere obviously but an enormous amount of people who wanted to donate in Europe) who didn't have credit cards and required other ways to pay (we, luckily, had paypal but even then we had to start adding other payment options). Debit cards were a weird bunch depending on the country, even where they had the visa/mastercard logo they would often not work in large chunks (most of the debit cards coming from India and Brazil for example).
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On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
From the Canadian perspective, people can have credit cards (16 digit chip & PIN for Visa/Mastercard, others only 16 digits) and/or bank/interact debit cards (also 16 digit chip&PIN). The former are able to be used online; debit cards are for in-person transactions with very, very few exceptions.
Visa and Mastercard offer prepaid debit cards; however, their purchase fee is typically 10% of the value of the card (a $500 card costs $50) and the currency exchange rates and service charges associated with using a different currency is usually double or triple what banks or Paypal charge. The *real* cost of Wikimania registration using one of those debit cards would be approximately 40% higher than the face value of what Wikimania was actually charging.
Unless I miss my guess, scholarships are being paid to people via Paypal. I think that really points to the necessity of accepting at least Paypal as an acceptable alternative payment.
Risker
On 4 June 2014 14:03, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Roan,
I don't mean to sound daft, but Chip & PIN cards are (at least here) MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers. The two are the same?
The reason people are cautious about giving out bank details is because of things like this: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/clarksons_account_gets_h... ...
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 4 June 2014 18:58, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 4, 2014 10:37 AM, "Michael Snow" wikipedia@frontier.com wrote:
On 6/4/2014 10:14 AM, Joseph Fox wrote:
Pretty sure the difference is that in the US, “debit cards” as we
Brits know them are rare.
Not at all, debit cards are a routine feature for checking accounts in
the US. But yes, if your debit card has a logo for one of the big payment processors, then most merchants displaying that logo should be able to accept it, even if their transactions use a credit function rather than the debit function.
The problem is that in many continental European countries, MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers etc are things that most people don't have. Payments are made using chip&PIN cards or bank transfer.
I've always been baffled by how hesitant UK-based individuals and companies are to give me their bank account information (so I can send them money), citing security concerns.
Roan
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On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I don't mean to sound daft, but Chip & PIN cards are (at least here) MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers. The two are the same?
While usually true in the U.S. and UK, this isn't the norm for most of the world. (Yes, I learned this the hard way.)
Assumptions about the availability of various payment systems have been a thorn in the side for many Wikimanias—for instance, I remember having to explain that bank transfers aren't just uncommon in the U.S., but actually inconvenient and often expensive. To be fair, most people have never had to think about payment processing on a global scale, and assumptions you learned to make five years ago may not hold true today.
I wasn't planning to pay using a credit card, but at least I'm fortunate enough to have that option available to me. Many others won't—the Netherlands isn't exactly a technologically isolated country, but revolving lines of credit aren't something your average student here will routinely have (for instance), and our banking system isn't centered around the credit card network. It's not my headache, this year, but I urge the organization team to reconsider this decision.
Austin
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I don't mean to sound daft, but Chip & PIN cards are (at least here) MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers. The two are the same?
While usually true in the U.S. and UK, this isn't the norm for most of the world. (Yes, I learned this the hard way.)
+1
It is a headache for me to pay via credit card (send euros to the US, with bank fee / exchange penalty), then pay penalty again to pay in pounds or whatnot from US $. Doing this is a big pet peeve and only do with great hesitation and very good reason.
Paypal is also problematic for me in europe and not an option (although it works for most people apparently)
Bank transfer would be the way to go. (me send money to Wikimedia UK or somewhere trusted)
quick google search finds http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/1267789-use-ideal-to-pro...
would that be an option?
Cheers, Katie
Assumptions about the availability of various payment systems have been a thorn in the side for many Wikimanias—for instance, I remember having to explain that bank transfers aren't just uncommon in the U.S., but actually inconvenient and often expensive. To be fair, most people have never had to think about payment processing on a global scale, and assumptions you learned to make five years ago may not hold true today.
I wasn't planning to pay using a credit card, but at least I'm fortunate enough to have that option available to me. Many others won't—the Netherlands isn't exactly a technologically isolated country, but revolving lines of credit aren't something your average student here will routinely have (for instance), and our banking system isn't centered around the credit card network. It's not my headache, this year, but I urge the organization team to reconsider this decision.
Austin
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I'm quite disappointed to see that the UK-based wikimania team seems to have decided that everyone will have to get a credit card to be able to participate wikimania. A few years back this would indeed have stopped me from participating in Wikimania. Paypal was already a huge step for me to take - credit card was simply impossible.
I'm also very sorry to see that this is only surfacing now (why didn't you ask people about this? Missed opportunity), the evil of assumptions is indeed valid, the evil of using the organizers' ease of administation as starting point maybe even more.
I would like to join the chorus to allow paypal, but i would also strongly suggest to open a separate bank account for wikimania, and allow people to send their money there, using the invoice code you provide them in the payment instructions as a description. I'm not convinced that mixing it with the large amount of donations would actually be helpful (that is asking for mixups etc).
However - I do remember how complicated it is to set up a payment system - even one like paypal or iDEAL that seems simple but isn't that really (you need to track payments and confirm the payment made is matched with the registration). So given the short time, I think the most reasonable would be - even though quite uncomfortable - to have cash on-site payment options. Everyone making it to the conference will be able to handle that, the big downside is that there are some security issues there too. The good news is you still have two months to figure those details out.
Best, Lodewijk
2014-06-04 21:29 GMT+02:00 aude aude.wiki@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I don't mean to sound daft, but Chip & PIN cards are (at least here) MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers. The two are the same?
While usually true in the U.S. and UK, this isn't the norm for most of the world. (Yes, I learned this the hard way.)
+1
It is a headache for me to pay via credit card (send euros to the US, with bank fee / exchange penalty), then pay penalty again to pay in pounds or whatnot from US $. Doing this is a big pet peeve and only do with great hesitation and very good reason.
Paypal is also problematic for me in europe and not an option (although it works for most people apparently)
Bank transfer would be the way to go. (me send money to Wikimedia UK or somewhere trusted)
quick google search finds http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/1267789-use-ideal-to-pro...
would that be an option?
Cheers, Katie
Assumptions about the availability of various payment systems have been a thorn in the side for many Wikimanias—for instance, I remember having to explain that bank transfers aren't just uncommon in the U.S., but actually inconvenient and often expensive. To be fair, most people have never had to think about payment processing on a global scale, and assumptions you learned to make five years ago may not hold true today.
I wasn't planning to pay using a credit card, but at least I'm fortunate enough to have that option available to me. Many others won't—the Netherlands isn't exactly a technologically isolated country, but revolving lines of credit aren't something your average student here will routinely have (for instance), and our banking system isn't centered around the credit card network. It's not my headache, this year, but I urge the organization team to reconsider this decision.
Austin
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
I'm quite disappointed to see that the UK-based wikimania team seems to have decided that everyone will have to get a credit card to be able to participate wikimania. A few years back this would indeed have stopped me from participating in Wikimania. Paypal was already a huge step for me to take - credit card was simply impossible.
I'm also very sorry to see that this is only surfacing now (why didn't you ask people about this? Missed opportunity), the evil of assumptions is indeed valid, the evil of using the organizers' ease of administation as starting point maybe even more.
I would like to join the chorus to allow paypal, but i would also strongly suggest to open a separate bank account for wikimania, and allow people to send their money there, using the invoice code you provide them in the payment instructions as a description. I'm not convinced that mixing it with the large amount of donations would actually be helpful (that is asking for mixups etc).
However - I do remember how complicated it is to set up a payment system - even one like paypal or iDEAL that seems simple but isn't that really (you need to track payments and confirm the payment made is matched with the registration).
Looks like Eventbrite has made paypal a bit easier to integrate:
http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/426298-use-paypal-to-pro... (the openstreetmap conferences do this, using eventbrite and also allow me to send bank transfer)
and
http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/1267789-use-ideal-to-pro...
I realise it's still perhaps not that simple but think it's also not that difficult.
Cheers, Katie
So given the short time, I think the most reasonable would be - even though
quite uncomfortable - to have cash on-site payment options. Everyone making it to the conference will be able to handle that, the big downside is that there are some security issues there too. The good news is you still have two months to figure those details out.
Best, Lodewijk
2014-06-04 21:29 GMT+02:00 aude aude.wiki@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I don't mean to sound daft, but Chip & PIN cards are (at least here) MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers. The two are the same?
While usually true in the U.S. and UK, this isn't the norm for most of the world. (Yes, I learned this the hard way.)
+1
It is a headache for me to pay via credit card (send euros to the US, with bank fee / exchange penalty), then pay penalty again to pay in pounds or whatnot from US $. Doing this is a big pet peeve and only do with great hesitation and very good reason.
Paypal is also problematic for me in europe and not an option (although it works for most people apparently)
Bank transfer would be the way to go. (me send money to Wikimedia UK or somewhere trusted)
quick google search finds http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/1267789-use-ideal-to-pro...
would that be an option?
Cheers, Katie
Assumptions about the availability of various payment systems have been a thorn in the side for many Wikimanias—for instance, I remember having to explain that bank transfers aren't just uncommon in the U.S., but actually inconvenient and often expensive. To be fair, most people have never had to think about payment processing on a global scale, and assumptions you learned to make five years ago may not hold true today.
I wasn't planning to pay using a credit card, but at least I'm fortunate enough to have that option available to me. Many others won't—the Netherlands isn't exactly a technologically isolated country, but revolving lines of credit aren't something your average student here will routinely have (for instance), and our banking system isn't centered around the credit card network. It's not my headache, this year, but I urge the organization team to reconsider this decision.
Austin
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On 6 June 2014 08:03, aude aude.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like Eventbrite has made paypal a bit easier to integrate:
http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/426298-use-paypal-to-pro... (the openstreetmap conferences do this, using eventbrite and also allow me to send bank transfer)
and
http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/1267789-use-ideal-to-pro...
I realise it's still perhaps not that simple but think it's also not that difficult.
I recently used eventbrite to handle the (paid) registration for a small professional conference - fees a good bit higher than Wikimania but vastly fewer attendees :-).
It does indeed allow paypal. (IDEAL and SOFORT are offered, but only where the *location* of the conference is in the relevant country.) However, it would only allow you to select *one* payment method - paypal or eventbrite-hosted card processing. It didn't seem to be possible to enable paypal as a backup option.
We set up a "free" ticket option to cover people who needed to use alternative methods of payment (bank transfer, cash-on-the-day, etc) but I can see the obvious logistical problems in chasing this up on Wikimania scales!
Andrew.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 6 June 2014 08:03, aude aude.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like Eventbrite has made paypal a bit easier to integrate:
http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/426298-use-paypal-to-pro...
(the openstreetmap conferences do this, using eventbrite and also allow
me
to send bank transfer)
and
http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/1267789-use-ideal-to-pro...
I realise it's still perhaps not that simple but think it's also not that difficult.
I recently used eventbrite to handle the (paid) registration for a small professional conference - fees a good bit higher than Wikimania but vastly fewer attendees :-).
It does indeed allow paypal. (IDEAL and SOFORT are offered, but only where the *location* of the conference is in the relevant country.)
:(
However, it would only allow you to select *one* payment method - paypal or eventbrite-hosted card processing.
ugh
It didn't seem to be possible to enable paypal as a backup option.
Paypal allows credit card payment also.
http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/en_us/portal/articles/430152-paypal-acco...
There are some countries where paypal can't be used, which is significant drawback. Don't know if/how this issue applies for the default eventbrite payment option.
(it still wouldn't work well for me, since for some reason (don't ask;) i can't have euro paypal account)
We set up a "free" ticket option to cover people who needed to use alternative methods of payment (bank transfer, cash-on-the-day, etc) but I can see the obvious logistical problems in chasing this up on Wikimania scales!
It can be some of work but not that bad. worth it imho to accommodate on case-by-case basis. (this is how i register for osm conferences)
In the future, we probably want a registration system (like the scholarship app) that reuses more of the fundraising infrastructure (e.g. Global Collect) and so that each year's team doesn't have to reinvent this. Likely Ellie is aware of this, but revamping the scholarships was enough work for this year. :)
Cheers, Katie
Andrew.
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On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Martijn,
Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment.
We did consider all options and various currency payment options, but we settled on credit card payments as the being most accessible method internationally and the simplest for us to administrate at this scale.
I hope this doesn't prevent you from attending.
Best
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Prevent, no. I can get a pre-paid mastercard from paypal through snail mail, or order one from my bank, which is also a lot more convenient for accommodation booking. But it is definitely a hindrance.
On 3 June 2014 11:26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoekstra@gmail.com wrote:
Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered?
--Martijn
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Stuart Prior, 04/06/2014 16:33:
there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries
Some? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area
Nemo
Thanks Federico for pointing that out.
Best
Stuart
On 4 June 2014 17:24, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Stuart Prior, 04/06/2014 16:33:
there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some
European countries
Some? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area
Nemo
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In the interest of providing free knowledge for all(/me), how is Paypal better where credit/debit cards don't work? (I would assume you still have to get your money into Paypal somehow.)
Best regards, Bence
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Thanks Federico for pointing that out.
Best
Stuart
On 4 June 2014 17:24, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Stuart Prior, 04/06/2014 16:33:
there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some
European countries
Some? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area
Nemo
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At least PayPal supports more bank card organizations. Not to say other methods like asking someone else to transfer me some money, which is obviously easier to ask someone else to provide me with their credit card info.
-Liangent
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:
In the interest of providing free knowledge for all(/me), how is Paypal better where credit/debit cards don't work? (I would assume you still have to get your money into Paypal somehow.)
Best regards, Bence
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Thanks Federico for pointing that out.
Best
Stuart
On 4 June 2014 17:24, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Stuart Prior, 04/06/2014 16:33:
there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries
Some? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area
Nemo
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Hi Bence,
this may differ from country to country. In Germany I can put money on my PayPal account via credit card, wire transfer, or direct debit/withdrawal. That's why PayPal is (I know, in Germany) quite comfortable to use.
Best, Steffen
2014-06-06 13:17 GMT+02:00 Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com:
In the interest of providing free knowledge for all(/me), how is Paypal better where credit/debit cards don't work? (I would assume you still have to get your money into Paypal somehow.)
Best regards, Bence
Can confirm - in the UK one can link their bank account directly to Paypal. The advantages and disadvantages of doing so are probably obvious.
Joe
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On 6 June 2014 13:29, Steffen Prößdorf steffen.proessdorf@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Bence,
this may differ from country to country. In Germany I can put money on my PayPal account via credit card, wire transfer, or direct debit/withdrawal. That's why PayPal is (I know, in Germany) quite comfortable to use.
Best, Steffen
2014-06-06 13:17 GMT+02:00 Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com:
In the interest of providing free knowledge for all(/me), how is Paypal
better where credit/debit cards don't work? (I would assume you still have to get your money into Paypal somehow.)
Best regards, Bence
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Joe,
Increasingly we are finding that very little is obvious :-)
EdSaperia
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On 6 Jun 2014, at 12:31, Joseph Fox josephfoxwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Can confirm - in the UK one can link their bank account directly to Paypal. The advantages and disadvantages of doing so are probably obvious.
Joe
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On 6 June 2014 13:29, Steffen Prößdorf steffen.proessdorf@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Bence,
this may differ from country to country. In Germany I can put money on my PayPal account via credit card, wire transfer, or direct debit/withdrawal. That's why PayPal is (I know, in Germany) quite comfortable to use.
Best, Steffen
2014-06-06 13:17 GMT+02:00 Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com:
In the interest of providing free knowledge for all(/me), how is Paypal better where credit/debit cards don't work? (I would assume you still have to get your money into Paypal somehow.)
Best regards, Bence
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:
In the interest of providing free knowledge for all(/me), how is Paypal better where credit/debit cards don't work? (I would assume you still have to get your money into Paypal somehow.)
Best regards, Bence
Hi Bence,
In my case too, PayPal uses direct debit to charge the amount payed with PayPal to my bank account.
--Martijn
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Stuart Prior < stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Thanks Federico for pointing that out.
Best
Stuart
On 4 June 2014 17:24, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Stuart Prior, 04/06/2014 16:33:
there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some
European countries
Some? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area
Nemo
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Dear Stuart,
Stuart Prior schreef op 4-6-2014 16:33:
Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment.
This means it becomes very hard for a lot of people to pay this. I could provide anecdotal evidence about how I never (maybe once?) used a credit card in the Netherlands, but I found something much more fun: http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/reports.do?node=1000004051
Not providing an alternative payment method severely hinders the accessibility of the conference.
Maarten
Ps. Why don't we have a Wikipedia article about credit card usage per country? ;-)
Couldn't WMUK accept paypal/cheques/etc. through their standard donation mechanisms (e.g. via a special page on donate.wikimedia.org.uk) and forward them on to the Wikimania budget?
Thanks, Mike
On 4 Jun 2014, at 20:54, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Dear Stuart,
Stuart Prior schreef op 4-6-2014 16:33:
Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment.
This means it becomes very hard for a lot of people to pay this. I could provide anecdotal evidence about how I never (maybe once?) used a credit card in the Netherlands, but I found something much more fun: http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/reports.do?node=1000004051
Not providing an alternative payment method severely hinders the accessibility of the conference.
Maarten
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