Hi All - just a brief status update on the organization of the UK competition. We now have some draft competition rules online for community input, as well as some initial FAQs and helpdesks for both organizers and competitors.
You may like to add these pages to your Commons watchlist:
Main page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_U... Main planning page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_U...
You will find a sidebar on those pages with links to the new resources.
More details will be posted to the WLM-UK mailing list, which you can subscribe to at http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wlm2013-l
Michael Maggs
Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us. 1. Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
2. List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best, Addis Wang
I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind.
Sven
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
- Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding
China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
- List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing
database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best, Addis Wang _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hi Sven
I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道：
I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind.
Sven
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote: Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best, Addis Wang _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
You mean something like this for the regions? http://www.statoids.com/ucn.html
Rupert Am 06.06.2013 20:03 schrieb "AddisWang" addiswang94@gmail.com:
Hi Sven
I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道：
I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind.
Sven
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
- Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding
China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
- List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page
introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best, Addis Wang _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
I would suggest concerning the id's is that the id's have to be unique for whole China. I think the Chinese government has assigned codes to at least provinces but I guess also to smaller areas. Depending on the situation choose for <province code>-<prefecture code>-... But it depends on in what area the code is unique, if the prefecture code of every prefecture is unique everywhere in China, use that as base, if it is only unique in the province, the prefecture code must be preceded by the code of the province.
Romaine
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
From: rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:36 PM
You mean something like this for the regions?
http://www.statoids.com/ucn.html Rupert Am 06.06.2013 20:03 schrieb "AddisWang" addiswang94@gmail.com:
Hi Sven I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道： I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind. Sven On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
1. Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
2. List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best,
Addis Wang
_______________________________________________
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list
WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
_______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
_______________________________________________
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list
WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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That's what we decide to do. We have many ways to make the id unique for whole country. The government even has unique id for every town, although not for monuments.
Addis
在 2013-6-7，上午2:47，Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com 写道：
I would suggest concerning the id's is that the id's have to be unique for whole China. I think the Chinese government has assigned codes to at least provinces but I guess also to smaller areas. Depending on the situation choose for <province code>-<prefecture code>-... But it depends on in what area the code is unique, if the prefecture code of every prefecture is unique everywhere in China, use that as base, if it is only unique in the province, the prefecture code must be preceded by the code of the province.
Romaine
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
From: rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:36 PM
You mean something like this for the regions? http://www.statoids.com/ucn.html
Rupert
Am 06.06.2013 20:03 schrieb "AddisWang" addiswang94@gmail.com: Hi Sven
I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道：
I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind.
Sven
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote: Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best, Addis Wang _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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If you built your own code, the best way is to use an existing one which people can find, as a basis. At the end of that exiting codes of the town/etc you can add a dash/slash/etc and a number for each individual monument.
Romaine
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote:
From: AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:51 PM
That's what we decide to do. We have many ways to make the id unique for whole country. The government even has unique id for every town, although not for monuments. Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午2:47，Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com 写道： I would suggest concerning the id's is that the id's have to be unique for whole China. I think the Chinese government has assigned codes to at least provinces but I guess also to smaller areas. Depending on the situation choose for <province code>-<prefecture code>-... But it depends on in what area the code is unique, if the prefecture code of every prefecture is unique everywhere in China, use that as base, if it is only unique in the province, the prefecture code must be preceded by the code of the province.
Romaine
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
From: rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:36 PM
You mean something like this for the regions?
http://www.statoids.com/ucn.htmlRupert Am 06.06.2013 20:03 schrieb "AddisWang" addiswang94@gmail.com:
Hi Sven I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道： I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind. Sven On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
1. Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
2. List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best,
Addis Wang
_______________________________________________
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list
WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
_______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
_______________________________________________
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list
WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Hi Addis,
The Philippines doesn't officially have any monuments ID, what we did was just obtain the list of officially recognized "monuments" from our national cultural agency and we improvised our own ID system, I believe the same is the case in Israel, where WMIL improvised their ID system for their monuments.
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Roel Balingit WLM Philippines Coordinator
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote:
If you built your own code, the best way is to use an existing one which people can find, as a basis. At the end of that exiting codes of the town/etc you can add a dash/slash/etc and a number for each individual monument.
Romaine
--- On *Thu, 6/6/13, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com* wrote:
From: AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:51 PM
That's what we decide to do. We have many ways to make the id unique for whole country. The government even has unique id for every town, although not for monuments.
Addis
在 2013-6-7，上午2:47，Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=romaine_wiki@yahoo.com> 写道：
I would suggest concerning the id's is that the id's have to be unique for whole China. I think the Chinese government has assigned codes to at least provinces but I guess also to smaller areas. Depending on the situation choose for <province code>-<prefecture code>-... But it depends on in what area the code is unique, if the prefecture code of every prefecture is unique everywhere in China, use that as base, if it is only unique in the province, the prefecture code must be preceded by the code of the province.
Romaine
--- On *Thu, 6/6/13, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rupert.thurner@gmail.com
- wrote:
From: rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rupert.thurner@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.orghttp://mc/compose?to=wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:36 PM
You mean something like this for the regions? http://www.statoids.com/ucn.html
Rupert Am 06.06.2013 20:03 schrieb "AddisWang" addiswang94@gmail.com:
Hi Sven
I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道：
I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind.
Sven
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
- Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding
China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
- List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing
database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
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Hi Addis,
great that you're willing to join this year!
Could you share some info on what is available as monument lists? Does the government provide/publish anything in that direction (or non-governmental organizations)? Usually governments publish these lists to prevent people to destroy them or because of tourism purposes.
Creating an ID is only something after that, with some suggestions to making them unique proposed by others already.
It is quite important that you do not make up your own monument lists though - they should follow some kind of external (usually governmental) definition. I understand from some quotes on the web there are in China both heritage sites/monuments recognized on a national level, and on a regional level. So I am assuming the lists should be there - the tricky part is to get them onto Wikipedia. If you can share what the lists look like, others might be able to help with that.
Best,
Lodewijk
2013/6/7 Roel Balingit roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph
Hi Addis,
The Philippines doesn't officially have any monuments ID, what we did was just obtain the list of officially recognized "monuments" from our national cultural agency and we improvised our own ID system, I believe the same is the case in Israel, where WMIL improvised their ID system for their monuments.
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Roel Balingit WLM Philippines Coordinator
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
If you built your own code, the best way is to use an existing one which people can find, as a basis. At the end of that exiting codes of the town/etc you can add a dash/slash/etc and a number for each individual monument.
Romaine
--- On *Thu, 6/6/13, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com* wrote:
From: AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:51 PM
That's what we decide to do. We have many ways to make the id unique for whole country. The government even has unique id for every town, although not for monuments.
Addis
在 2013-6-7，上午2:47，Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=romaine_wiki@yahoo.com> 写道：
I would suggest concerning the id's is that the id's have to be unique for whole China. I think the Chinese government has assigned codes to at least provinces but I guess also to smaller areas. Depending on the situation choose for <province code>-<prefecture code>-... But it depends on in what area the code is unique, if the prefecture code of every prefecture is unique everywhere in China, use that as base, if it is only unique in the province, the prefecture code must be preceded by the code of the province.
Romaine
--- On *Thu, 6/6/13, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rupert.thurner@gmail.com
- wrote:
From: rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rupert.thurner@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.orghttp://mc/compose?to=wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:36 PM
You mean something like this for the regions? http://www.statoids.com/ucn.html
Rupert Am 06.06.2013 20:03 schrieb "AddisWang" addiswang94@gmail.com:
Hi Sven
I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道：
I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind.
Sven
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
- Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding
China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
- List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page
introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best, Addis Wang _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Hi Lodewijk
Yes we do find the lists on state and regional level. The reason we have to make a list is that there are still many different government-published list system. It may necessary to combine all of them to make it easy to find and to numbered.
So considering the current situation, is that means we don't really need to make a database for any using but only set some lists and unique ID?
Thanks for all helps!
Addis Wang 在 2013-6-7，下午7:18，Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org 写道：
Hi Addis,
great that you're willing to join this year!
Could you share some info on what is available as monument lists? Does the government provide/publish anything in that direction (or non-governmental organizations)? Usually governments publish these lists to prevent people to destroy them or because of tourism purposes.
Creating an ID is only something after that, with some suggestions to making them unique proposed by others already.
It is quite important that you do not make up your own monument lists though - they should follow some kind of external (usually governmental) definition. I understand from some quotes on the web there are in China both heritage sites/monuments recognized on a national level, and on a regional level. So I am assuming the lists should be there - the tricky part is to get them onto Wikipedia. If you can share what the lists look like, others might be able to help with that.
Best,
Lodewijk
2013/6/7 Roel Balingit roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph Hi Addis,
The Philippines doesn't officially have any monuments ID, what we did was just obtain the list of officially recognized "monuments" from our national cultural agency and we improvised our own ID system, I believe the same is the case in Israel, where WMIL improvised their ID system for their monuments.
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Roel Balingit WLM Philippines Coordinator
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote: If you built your own code, the best way is to use an existing one which people can find, as a basis. At the end of that exiting codes of the town/etc you can add a dash/slash/etc and a number for each individual monument.
Romaine
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote:
From: AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:51 PM
That's what we decide to do. We have many ways to make the id unique for whole country. The government even has unique id for every town, although not for monuments.
Addis
在 2013-6-7，上午2:47，Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com 写道：
I would suggest concerning the id's is that the id's have to be unique for whole China. I think the Chinese government has assigned codes to at least provinces but I guess also to smaller areas. Depending on the situation choose for <province code>-<prefecture code>-... But it depends on in what area the code is unique, if the prefecture code of every prefecture is unique everywhere in China, use that as base, if it is only unique in the province, the prefecture code must be preceded by the code of the province.
Romaine
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
From: rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:36 PM
You mean something like this for the regions? http://www.statoids.com/ucn.html
Rupert
Am 06.06.2013 20:03 schrieb "AddisWang" addiswang94@gmail.com: Hi Sven
I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道：
I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind.
Sven
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote: Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best, Addis Wang _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Hi Addis,
Op 8-6-2013 9:29, AddisWang schreef:
Hi Lodewijk
Yes we do find the lists on state and regional level. The reason we have to make a list is that there are still many different government-published list system. It may necessary to combine all of them to make it easy to find and to numbered.
So considering the current situation, is that means we don't really need to make a database for any using but only set some lists and unique ID?
You're not the only country struggling with this. Take for example the Netherlands. We have three systems: Rijksmonumenten (country level), Provinciale monumenten (province level) and Gemeentelijke Monumenten (municipality level). Rijksmonumenten are quite easy because every Rijksmonument gets assigned an unique id by the RCE (the government subsidiary that decides about this) so we just used that. We haven't really implemented the Provincial level yet, so I'll just skip that. For the Gemeentelijke Monumenten we had a problem that many countries face: Every municipality has it's own numbering scheme. To solve this we used the principle of namespaces. In the Netherlands every municipality gets assigned an unique id. We combine this municipality id with the local id like <municipal id>/<local id>, for example 0392/59-0436 is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Voorgevel_van_winkelpand,_dubbele_et...
We use / as the separator because that makes it easy to do funky template logical like showing the right municipality.
Going back to your original questions.
Op 6-6-2013 19:25, AddisWang schreef:
- Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
See my previous explanation. See what you can get, see if you can organize it with namespaces to keep it unique. Creating your own unique id is a last resort because it violates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research
- List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
If you make lists using templates a robot will pick up the data and put it in the database making all the shared tools also available for China. Please take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_secret_flow_of_Wiki_Loves_Monume... and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database#Structured_lis...
Hope this helps
Maarten
Hi Roel
Nice to get some info from Philippines, it's really helpful!
Addis Wang 在 2013-6-7，上午8:34，Roel Balingit roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph 写道：
Hi Addis,
The Philippines doesn't officially have any monuments ID, what we did was just obtain the list of officially recognized "monuments" from our national cultural agency and we improvised our own ID system, I believe the same is the case in Israel, where WMIL improvised their ID system for their monuments.
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Roel Balingit WLM Philippines Coordinator
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote: If you built your own code, the best way is to use an existing one which people can find, as a basis. At the end of that exiting codes of the town/etc you can add a dash/slash/etc and a number for each individual monument.
Romaine
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote:
From: AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:51 PM
That's what we decide to do. We have many ways to make the id unique for whole country. The government even has unique id for every town, although not for monuments.
Addis
在 2013-6-7，上午2:47，Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com 写道：
I would suggest concerning the id's is that the id's have to be unique for whole China. I think the Chinese government has assigned codes to at least provinces but I guess also to smaller areas. Depending on the situation choose for <province code>-<prefecture code>-... But it depends on in what area the code is unique, if the prefecture code of every prefecture is unique everywhere in China, use that as base, if it is only unique in the province, the prefecture code must be preceded by the code of the province.
Romaine
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
From: rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] News From China To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:36 PM
You mean something like this for the regions? http://www.statoids.com/ucn.html
Rupert
Am 06.06.2013 20:03 schrieb "AddisWang" addiswang94@gmail.com: Hi Sven
I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道：
I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind.
Sven
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote: Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
Best, Addis Wang _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Hi Rupert
We are not decide to use the letter to represent Provinces, or using this( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_China#Area_1 ) for every city since we are not sure either can we create by ourselves or the number of monuments we can get for list.
Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午2:36，rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com 写道：
You mean something like this for the regions? http://www.statoids.com/ucn.html
Rupert
Am 06.06.2013 20:03 schrieb "AddisWang" addiswang94@gmail.com: Hi Sven
I have to say your Chinese is great, especially you can really type it rather than only speaking. Let me know if any thing I can help. :)
Actually we decide to use area code plus serial number as unique id if we can create our own. Not only the situation in China is little different with other countries, but even in the relative branches of government might have different id system. But still thanks for all your advice.
Addis 在 2013-6-7，上午1:43，Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com 写道：
I personally don't think that the lack of "official" IDs should exclude a country from participation, but I'm not part of the international organizing team and can't speak for them.
Some suggestions for creating an ID system yourself. I studied a bit of Chinese myself (我的汉语太不好, 我学习汉语了一年半了.) (I really hope that's correct) so I know better than to suggest "alphabetical order" However:
If all of the items you want to include have known geographic coordinates, you can go from northwest to southeast by province and assign each spot a number (Yunnan 1, Yunnan 2, Yunnan 3, etc)
If all of the items you want to include have Wikipedia articles (in any language), you don't even have to make up the numbers yourself, you could use the (essentially random) numbers that Wikidata uses (i.e. Yuanmingyuan is on Wikidata as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q907894 so you could use 907894).
Finally, you could try to do it based on age, but since many of the cites you're going to photograph are going to be from the Dynastic period, and dates can get a little fuzzy if you go back too far, that might not be a viable option.
The downside to the first one is that if you add new items next year or the year after, things are going to be out of geographical order. The downside to the second one is the numbers are random and there are going to be large gaps in between most of them.
These are just ideas though, you might have a better system in mind.
Sven
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, AddisWang addiswang94@gmail.com wrote: Hi All
I'm Addis Wang, the organizer of WLM in China this year. Just confirming that China will attend the competition this year.
And there are some questions in the preparing if someone would like to help us.
Unique ID: It seems many countries have their official IDs excluding China, or at least is non-published. Since it might hard to cooperate with government in this country, can we crete our own id for monuments in China? And are there any requirements for the Unique ID?
List: The monuments list is needed. But I also found a page introducing database something like that, and seems complicated. So is this also necessary or we only need to make some lists instead of database.
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