As long as the two processes are running independently (essentially ignoring each other) per your 2nd paragraph, I don't even see a potential problem there. Really just wanting to know what's what.
My real interest is the GLAM category. In the US we've got a very interesting Hawaiian ceremonial object snapped by a newbie apparently unrelated to the museum it's in, no real info on the object. I even emailed the museum to make sure it's not copyrighted (no response yet, but it looks 19th century or older to me)
So should that pic be in the GLAM category? It's certainly in a known museum on the NRHP. Everything else tells me if there are any restrictions on that category, it shouldn't be in the cat.
Guidance?
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 22:27:00 +0200 From: Tomasz W. Koz?owski odder.wiki@gmail.com To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] images categories at Commons Message-ID: CAHr62skccmiGNBf2SdZpdaeSeDajPP6FPNaoRfsbX0RmGeHtwQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi Peter, incidentally, I have only created three of those four categories today; they are there to gather--as one might guess by their names--Featured pictures, Valued images and Quality images as defined by the Commons community.
The local juries, and even the international one, are not related to this community process, and the Commons community does not need to wait for them to start or end their work; the juries also do not need to take the judgement of the community into consideration at all.
The GLAM category has been created by Maarten, and is intended to gather images of gallery, library, archives and museum buildings uploaded as part of WLM; it is my understanding that everyone is allowed to put his/her images there as long as they represent a GLAM building (though Maarten might comment on this further).
After the end of the competition, images gathered in that category will be reviewed by Europeana, and the winner will be awarded a special prize sponsored by that organisation. More information on this will be published on the international website on Sunday.
And by the way, if you're interested in all content from Wiki Loves Monuments that has been highlighted by the Commons community in one way or another, please have a look at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Highlighted_content_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments.
Thanks, Tomasz
Hi Peter, I have seen the topic of quality judgement of the WLM pictures being brought up in several places (at the Featured Pictures Candidates page on Commons, for instance), so just wanted to make it clear.
Obviously the jury members /could/ potentially notice that some of the images are marked with some templates on Commons (if they ever have a look there, that is), but I wouldn't call it a real danger for the neutrality of their choices. Besides, there is no way that we could control and influence the usual procedures of such a big community like that of Commons, so we have to live with whatever they do.
As for the GLAM category, it is intended to gather pictures of GLAM /buildings/ (both inside and outside), and not of the objects that are located inside them. So if the picture shows only an object and not the insides of the building (walls, ceilings, etc.), it should not belong to that category.
Tomasz
Just to add to Tomasz' points (which I agree with): since the GLAM category is created to make judging for the special Europeana sponsored GLAM prize easier, please simply add images to that category if you're in doubt. We can leave it up to the special prize jury to make that judgement call. Most important is that they don't have to dig through /all/ WLM pictures.
Best, Lodewijk
2012/9/8 Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com
Hi Peter, I have seen the topic of quality judgement of the WLM pictures being brought up in several places (at the Featured Pictures Candidates page on Commons, for instance), so just wanted to make it clear.
Obviously the jury members /could/ potentially notice that some of the images are marked with some templates on Commons (if they ever have a look there, that is), but I wouldn't call it a real danger for the neutrality of their choices. Besides, there is no way that we could control and influence the usual procedures of such a big community like that of Commons, so we have to live with whatever they do.
As for the GLAM category, it is intended to gather pictures of GLAM /buildings/ (both inside and outside), and not of the objects that are located inside them. So if the picture shows only an object and not the insides of the building (walls, ceilings, etc.), it should not belong to that category.
Tomasz
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I have a couple of questions about the GLAM prize:
1. Does it only take into account *buildings*? Or should I recommend the participants to also photograph the inside (including contained material) of the g/l/a/m's? 2. This may be obvious, but, Must the g/l/a/m's be monuments to participate? Or should I recommend the participants to photograp every g/l/a/m they can?
Thanks, Racso
2012/9/8 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Just to add to Tomasz' points (which I agree with): since the GLAM category is created to make judging for the special Europeana sponsored GLAM prize easier, please simply add images to that category if you're in doubt. We can leave it up to the special prize jury to make that judgement call. Most important is that they don't have to dig through /all/ WLM pictures.
Best, Lodewijk
2012/9/8 Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com
Hi Peter,
I have seen the topic of quality judgement of the WLM pictures being brought up in several places (at the Featured Pictures Candidates page on Commons, for instance), so just wanted to make it clear.
Obviously the jury members /could/ potentially notice that some of the images are marked with some templates on Commons (if they ever have a look there, that is), but I wouldn't call it a real danger for the neutrality of their choices. Besides, there is no way that we could control and influence the usual procedures of such a big community like that of Commons, so we have to live with whatever they do.
As for the GLAM category, it is intended to gather pictures of GLAM /buildings/ (both inside and outside), and not of the objects that are located inside them. So if the picture shows only an object and not the insides of the building (walls, ceilings, etc.), it should not belong to that category.
Tomasz
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Hi Oscar,
it is about the /buildings/ of galleries, libraries, archives and museums that are at the same time a monument. Of course people should photograph every glam they can - but only the ones that are also a monument can wín something :)
Lodewijk
2012/9/9 Racso racso@colombia.com
I have a couple of questions about the GLAM prize:
- Does it only take into account *buildings*? Or should I recommend the
participants to also photograph the inside (including contained material) of the g/l/a/m's? 2. This may be obvious, but, Must the g/l/a/m's be monuments to participate? Or should I recommend the participants to photograp every g/l/a/m they can?
Thanks, Racso
2012/9/8 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Just to add to Tomasz' points (which I agree with): since the GLAM category is created to make judging for the special Europeana sponsored GLAM prize easier, please simply add images to that category if you're in doubt. We can leave it up to the special prize jury to make that judgement call. Most important is that they don't have to dig through /all/ WLM pictures.
Best, Lodewijk
2012/9/8 Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com
Hi Peter,
I have seen the topic of quality judgement of the WLM pictures being brought up in several places (at the Featured Pictures Candidates page on Commons, for instance), so just wanted to make it clear.
Obviously the jury members /could/ potentially notice that some of the images are marked with some templates on Commons (if they ever have a look there, that is), but I wouldn't call it a real danger for the neutrality of their choices. Besides, there is no way that we could control and influence the usual procedures of such a big community like that of Commons, so we have to live with whatever they do.
As for the GLAM category, it is intended to gather pictures of GLAM /buildings/ (both inside and outside), and not of the objects that are located inside them. So if the picture shows only an object and not the insides of the building (walls, ceilings, etc.), it should not belong to that category.
Tomasz
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Hi there, as promised on Friday, the blog post is there: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org/europeana-prizes-glam/.
Thanks Tomasz
Is it true that only uploaders can add their pictures for WLM to the GLAM category?
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there, as promised on Friday, the blog post is there: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org/europeana-prizes-glam/.
Thanks Tomasz
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What will be the prize that will be awarded to the winner of the special "Category:GLAM images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2012" and what was it last year for the Art Nouveau category. Kind regards Beppo -------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 20:18:56 +0200 Von: Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl An: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] images categories at Commons
Op 9-9-2012 18:28, Paul Selitskas schreef:
Is it true that only uploaders can add their pictures for WLM to the GLAM category?
No, anyone can add this category and you're all invited to add it to images.
Maarten
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Hi Beppo, last year the winning Art Nouveau category photographer won a luxurious photo book on Art Nouveau as well as his own picture printed on an aluminium sheet -- see http://blog.europeana.eu/2011/09/wiki-loves-monuments-launch-rules-prizes/ for more information, and http://blog.europeana.eu/2012/01/first-russian-virtual-exhibition-europeana/ for a picture of Csaba with the book and his picture in the background.
This year, Europeana will be also sponsoring a large-scale print of the winning GLAM category photo as well as the overall winner (from all participating countries) on aluminium sheets -- see http://blog.europeana.eu/2012/09/europeana-loves-wiki-loves-monuments/.
The best photos from the GLAM category will also be shown at a virtual exhibition organised by Europeana--see our latest blog post at http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org/europeana-prizes-glam/ for details and http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/ for the current Europeana exhibitions.
Thanks, Tomasz
On 09/09/12 07:44, Racso wrote:
I have a couple of questions about the GLAM prize:
- Does it only take into account *buildings*? Or should I recommend the
participants to also photograph the inside (including contained material) of the g/l/a/m's?
This wasn't completely answered here.
The FAQ says "Pictures showing both the insides and outsides of GLAM buildings—which also have to be recognised as monuments" but where should we draw the line?
Should a card be there [1]? A couple of dummies with a (boring) museum wall on the background [2] ? A piece of the museum [3]? A bathtub [4]?
I guess the answer is no, no, no, maybe; but I'd prefer to clarify the inclusion criteria before moving pictures out of it.
1- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Museu_de_Belles_Arts_P1130791.JPG 2- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Biblioteca_105.jpg 3- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Museu_de_Belles_Arts_P1130769.JPG 4- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nederlands_Openluchtmuseum785.JPG
Hi,
Actually, I'd say: yes, yes, yes and yes. If you're having the slightest doubt, just add it to the category. Let the jury worry about the edge cases :) Obviously the card isn't a very useful picture, so unlikely to win. The dummies seem copyrighted to me, so might get deleted (category or not). And the piece in the museum (3) seems useful, but unlikely to win as well. But then, just add it to the category anyway. It isn't really hurting anyone.
Lodewijk
2012/9/20 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 09/09/12 07:44, Racso wrote:
I have a couple of questions about the GLAM prize:
- Does it only take into account *buildings*? Or should I recommend the
participants to also photograph the inside (including contained material) of the g/l/a/m's?
This wasn't completely answered here.
The FAQ says "Pictures showing both the insides and outsides of GLAM buildings—which also have to be recognised as monuments" but where should we draw the line?
Should a card be there [1]? A couple of dummies with a (boring) museum wall on the background [2] ? A piece of the museum [3]? A bathtub [4]?
I guess the answer is no, no, no, maybe; but I'd prefer to clarify the inclusion criteria before moving pictures out of it.
1- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Museu_de_Belles_Arts_P1130791.JPG 2- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Biblioteca_105.jpg 3- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Museu_de_Belles_Arts_P1130769.JPG 4- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nederlands_Openluchtmuseum785.JPG
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