Do I understand correctly that nobody is serious about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011... 1.0 assessments
I was going to discuss articles after the completion of September contest, but just to make sure:
- Every article about any officially recognized monument in any country, written in any language, is within the scope of the project; - Articles are not part of 2011 competition in any way.
Right?
Cheers Yaroslav
That will depend definitely on the project. I know that on the Dutch Wikipedia, rijksmonumenten are generally considered to be encyclopedic (although in some cases collections of buildings should be put into one single article because they clearly belong together - for example the Entrepotdok buildings in Amsterdam I imagine). I can't speak for other language projects.
Lodewijk
Am 16. September 2011 17:51 schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru:
Do I understand correctly that nobody is serious about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011... 1.0 assessments
I was going to discuss articles after the completion of September contest, but just to make sure:
- Every article about any officially recognized monument in any country,
written in any language, is within the scope of the project;
- Articles are not part of 2011 competition in any way.
Right?
Cheers Yaroslav
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:56:27 +0200, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
That will depend definitely on the project. I know that on the Dutch Wikipedia, rijksmonumenten are generally considered to be encyclopedic (although in some cases collections of buildings should be put into one single article because they clearly belong together - for example the Entrepotdok buildings in Amsterdam I imagine). I can't speak for other language projects.
Lodewijk
I am not talking now about notability or other issues, I just wanted to understand whether there is any relation to WLM2011 contest. Apparently, there is none. It is just an English Wikipedia project not endorsed by the central WLM organization and focusing on article writing which are not part of the contest in 2011.
Cheers Yaroslav
Ah :) I understand the question better now. There is indeed no formal relationship (at least on European level, maybe in some countries there is) - although there is probably quite some overlap in volunteers.
Lodewijk
Am 16. September 2011 18:03 schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:56:27 +0200, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
That will depend definitely on the project. I know that on the Dutch Wikipedia, rijksmonumenten are generally considered to be encyclopedic (although in some cases collections of buildings should be put into one single article because they clearly belong together - for example the Entrepotdok buildings in Amsterdam I imagine). I can't speak for other language projects.
Lodewijk
I am not talking now about notability or other issues, I just wanted to understand whether there is any relation to WLM2011 contest. Apparently, there is none. It is just an English Wikipedia project not endorsed by the central WLM organization and focusing on article writing which are not part of the contest in 2011.
Cheers Yaroslav
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Hi Yaroslav, I set that wiki project up on the English Wikipedia with two primary goals in mind: 1) Try to form an English common set of terms for the national heritage of the participating countries (links from those pages link to the various country pages on the English wikipedia and wherever possible to their protection agencies if an article exists) 2) Try to create a common landing page for the various WLM subprojects in the various language wikipedias (note the links on the left hand side of the page)
I think the project has been useful to give people an impression of what the project is all about. I was hoping to get a chance to create lists of national heritage for the participating countries, and especially for those countries with more than one official language and no "native wikipedia", but I didn't manage to do that.
Some countries have managed to put up lists on the English wikipedia - see this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:National_Heritage_Sites_in_Europe As is always the case, there is room for improvement, and of course, there's always next year!
We discussed making article writing part of the competition, for example in October after the uploading stops, but we quickly decided this just complicates things for the juries, who will all have a difficult enough time just looking at the pictures.
If you have ideas about a writing competition, in order to get more articles on more national heritage sites, that would still be very cool to do, and may be a way for people to get stimulated to go back and take more pictures inside the buildings (most of the pictures in the competition are taken from the outside).
Jane
2011/9/16 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:56:27 +0200, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
That will depend definitely on the project. I know that on the Dutch Wikipedia, rijksmonumenten are generally considered to be encyclopedic (although in some cases collections of buildings should be put into one single article because they clearly belong together - for example the Entrepotdok buildings in Amsterdam I imagine). I can't speak for other language projects.
Lodewijk
I am not talking now about notability or other issues, I just wanted to understand whether there is any relation to WLM2011 contest. Apparently, there is none. It is just an English Wikipedia project not endorsed by the central WLM organization and focusing on article writing which are not part of the contest in 2011.
Cheers Yaroslav
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Hi Jane,
Op 16-9-2011 18:51, Jane Darnell schreef:
Hi Yaroslav, I set that wiki project up on the English Wikipedia with two primary goals in mind:
- Try to form an English common set of terms for the national
heritage of the participating countries (links from those pages link to the various country pages on the English wikipedia and wherever possible to their protection agencies if an article exists)
Why did you start a new project? Why not just join https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Histori... ?
Maarten
Maarten, I didn't even know about that project! Even if I had known about it, I was still looking for a place to create a project where interwiki links could be made to WLM projects in sister projects, not to historic sites sister projects.
But as always, hindsight is 20/20. I did however have the presence of mind to call it Wiki Loves Monuments 2011, so WLM2012 (if there is one) could easily be a subproject of historic sites. Jane
2011/9/16 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl
Hi Jane,
Op 16-9-2011 18:51, Jane Darnell schreef:
Hi Yaroslav, I set that wiki project up on the English Wikipedia with two primary goals in mind:
- Try to form an English common set of terms for the national
heritage of the participating countries (links from those pages link to the various country pages on the English wikipedia and wherever possible to their protection agencies if an article exists)
Why did you start a new project? Why not just join
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Histori... ?
Maarten
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Hi Jane,
Op 16-9-2011 19:40, Jane Darnell schreef:
Maarten, I didn't even know about that project! Even if I had known about it, I was still looking for a place to create a project where interwiki links could be made to WLM projects in sister projects, not to historic sites sister projects.
I thought I mentioned it to you some months ago at one of the WLM meetings.
But as always, hindsight is 20/20. I did however have the presence of mind to call it Wiki Loves Monuments 2011, so WLM2012 (if there is one) could easily be a subproject of historic sites.
I think it would be best to just keep WLM2011 like it is now and just merge the assessments part with the historic sites project.
Maarten
Maarten, I think that's also around the time when I made this thing, but since the assessments after this month aren't needed, it can remain as a 2011 archive.
After I wrote that mail yesterday I remembered why WLM can't be a subproject of the English wikiproject "Historic sites", and that is because not all monuments are historic sites, but are other things like trees and natural rock formations.
What could be useful in the long term is a "national heritage" subproject per country under the portal "European Union". I was going to try and build that in a way that uses a standard approach per country based on COE terms, but I got confused by the way the current portal was set up. I then tried to figure out the logic of the World Heritage Sites project, which on a smaller scale is basically trying to do the same thing, though it's in the name of one organization, rather than one per country.
Each country has its own challenges with handling these lists, so the best approach is probably done per country and not together. Jane
2011/9/18 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl
Hi Jane,
Op 16-9-2011 19:40, Jane Darnell schreef:
Maarten, I didn't even know about that project! Even if I had known about it, I was still looking for a place to create a project where interwiki links could be made to WLM projects in sister projects, not to historic sites sister projects.
I thought I mentioned it to you some months ago at one of the WLM meetings.
But as always, hindsight is 20/20. I did however have the presence of mind to call it Wiki Loves Monuments 2011, so WLM2012 (if there is one) could easily be a subproject of historic sites.
I think it would be best to just keep WLM2011 like it is now and just merge the assessments part with the historic sites project.
Maarten
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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