Hi all,
The proposal for Wiki Loves Monuments Europe is around for a while now, and we're getting somewhere! On [1] you can find that there are currently 10 (!) countries interested in participating. This report is to help you get an idea of what is going on, where we are and where we are going. Any additional information about your countries situation would be extremely helpful.
The following countries have indicated that they want to participate in this project:
Estonia - Finland - France - Germany - Netherlands - Poland - Portugal - Spain - Sweden - Switzerland
Additionally, there are a few countries interested and people are working on letting them participate, including:
Andorra - Austria - Belgium - Denmark - Liechtenstein - Luxembourg - Ukraine - United Kingdom
Currently most chapters are working on laying contacts and getting a structure off the ground. I have already participated a brainstorm session in Cologne, and will give a lecture/workshop on WLM in Wroclaw, Poland and Maarten will give a workshop in Berlin, both later this month. Do you need some help in getting your thoughts together? Would you like us to participate in a brainstorm session/workshop? Please let us know very soon, and we can probably organize something.
In May we intend to organize a meeting in Berlin for representatives from all organizations participating in this European contest. We are still looking for funding to be able to fly in people that cannot afford it themselves (please poke me if your chapter can help with that), and Wikimedia Deutschland has generously offered to host us in Berlin. They will organize there a developers meeting, and that would be an excellent synergy for us since we could perhaps persuade some people there to write tools useful for WLM! I would like some input from you on this meeting, but more information about that in a seperate email.
Short summaries as I am aware (happy to be corrected and see additional information) about the participating countries:
* Estonia - Decided recently to participate. Need some thinking about the Freedom of Panorama, but 5 volunteers are enthusiast. Status of lists and contacts unknown. * Finland - Have the data available for the 2000-3000 monuments, no lists yet? * France - started off as one of the first countries with some 43000 monuments. There is a structure for the lists, all lists are not there yet. Chapter is supportive (?) * Germany - Problematic with their 700.000 monuments and no central authority registering them. Volunteers are working to get the data bit by bit, and might take quite some effort. Project set up, seems to be moving. Chapter is organizing workshops to get volunteers involved. * Netherlands - structure and lists is already there from last year. Many monuments have already photos, work for NL starts later this year. * Poland - Chapter is enthusiast, need to get more volunteers. Some 60000 monuments, and there is some list structure. Unclear how much work to be done. * Portugal - the 4000-5000 monuments are already structured in lists on the wiki. * Spain - volunteers from both Wikimedia España and Associació Amical Viquipèdia are involved in organizing the list structures in several language Wikipedia's about Spain and Andorra. (13000 monuments) * Sweden - situation unclear. * Switzerland - 8300 monuments, available in structured lists.
I realize this probably contains errors, so please correct me!
Unfortunately Italy will not participate because of issues with Italian copyright law regarding cultural heritage :(
Looking forward to keep working on this and your replies (short reports on how things are going in your country and what problems you face would be welcome!)
Lodewijk and Maarten
[1]: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/progress
Cheers all,
It's funny I get this message today, as I subscribed yesterday. I was looking to exchange some thoughts here with you all, but also personally, in Berlin, with WM.NL and the adhering chapters. We would appreciate some guidance in getting volunteers involved. We also have no idea of the required budget for this.
As for the status of Portugal, we are already moving on to partnerships and sponsorship. We had the lists from Wikipedia incorporated into an internal database, and we have already a website for surfing through this information. This information is a bit outdated (it was "crawled" from the former official institution in 2006 - IPPAR - and sent to WP.PT), and we are trying to get and updated version, and also to fill in the geo coordinates - this might imply merging 2 different systems together or, in the worst case, manual intervention.
This weekend I had planned to cross information with Commons, just to give an idea of how many images there are already, and also to have a better overview of this initiave outcomes. I think it would also be possible having a weight-criteria for determining winners - like give some extra points to images for objects that had none, etc.. what do you think?
I can remember there is an issue regarding wikilovesmonuments.tld: we decided to postpone it for a later stage. For now we have a running website within our own domain.
By the way, if any chapter needs help building the database, I might be of some assistance. Our was effectively built from the wikipedia structured lists (which was the first stage of the process).
Best,
Hey Nuno,
thanks a lot for the update! I'd be happy to share some thoughts in Berlin, but as indicated before - if it would be helpful to have me or Maarten attend a workshop/meeting in Portugal, just let us know. Wikimedia Nederland has some available budget to cover for those travel costs. If you have specific questions already, don't hesitate to ask them! (ideally in a seperate thread)
I think Maarten was planning on starting a seperate thread on the database side of things, so I'll leave the comments there to him. Adding information to commons is of course always a good idea!
best,
Lodewijk
2011/3/5 Nuno Tavares nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
Cheers all,
It's funny I get this message today, as I subscribed yesterday. I was looking to exchange some thoughts here with you all, but also personally, in Berlin, with WM.NL and the adhering chapters. We would appreciate some guidance in getting volunteers involved. We also have no idea of the required budget for this.
As for the status of Portugal, we are already moving on to partnerships and sponsorship. We had the lists from Wikipedia incorporated into an internal database, and we have already a website for surfing through this information. This information is a bit outdated (it was "crawled" from the former official institution in 2006 - IPPAR - and sent to WP.PT), and we are trying to get and updated version, and also to fill in the geo coordinates - this might imply merging 2 different systems together or, in the worst case, manual intervention.
This weekend I had planned to cross information with Commons, just to give an idea of how many images there are already, and also to have a better overview of this initiave outcomes. I think it would also be possible having a weight-criteria for determining winners - like give some extra points to images for objects that had none, etc.. what do you think?
I can remember there is an issue regarding wikilovesmonuments.tld: we decided to postpone it for a later stage. For now we have a running website within our own domain.
By the way, if any chapter needs help building the database, I might be of some assistance. Our was effectively built from the wikipedia structured lists (which was the first stage of the process).
Best,
Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.
Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt
Sáb, 2011-03-05 às 16:20 +0100, Lodewijk escreveu:
Hi all,
The proposal for Wiki Loves Monuments Europe is around for a while now, and we're getting somewhere! On [1] you can find that there are currently 10 (!) countries interested in participating. This report is to help you get an idea of what is going on, where we are and where we are going. Any additional information about your countries situation would be extremely helpful.
The following countries have indicated that they want to participate in this project:
Estonia - Finland - France - Germany - Netherlands - Poland - Portugal
- Spain - Sweden - Switzerland
Additionally, there are a few countries interested and people are working on letting them participate, including:
Andorra - Austria - Belgium - Denmark - Liechtenstein - Luxembourg - Ukraine - United Kingdom
Currently most chapters are working on laying contacts and getting a structure off the ground. I have already participated a brainstorm session in Cologne, and will give a lecture/workshop on WLM in Wroclaw, Poland and Maarten will give a workshop in Berlin, both later this month. Do you need some help in getting your thoughts together? Would you like us to participate in a brainstorm session/workshop? Please let us know very soon, and we can probably organize something.
In May we intend to organize a meeting in Berlin for representatives from all organizations participating in this European contest. We are still looking for funding to be able to fly in people that cannot afford it themselves (please poke me if your chapter can help with that), and Wikimedia Deutschland has generously offered to host us in Berlin. They will organize there a developers meeting, and that would be an excellent synergy for us since we could perhaps persuade some people there to write tools useful for WLM! I would like some input from you on this meeting, but more information about that in a seperate email.
Short summaries as I am aware (happy to be corrected and see additional information) about the participating countries:
- Estonia - Decided recently to participate. Need some thinking about
the Freedom of Panorama, but 5 volunteers are enthusiast. Status of lists and contacts unknown.
- Finland - Have the data available for the 2000-3000 monuments, no
lists yet?
- France - started off as one of the first countries with some 43000
monuments. There is a structure for the lists, all lists are not there yet. Chapter is supportive (?)
- Germany - Problematic with their 700.000 monuments and no central
authority registering them. Volunteers are working to get the data bit by bit, and might take quite some effort. Project set up, seems to be moving. Chapter is organizing workshops to get volunteers involved.
- Netherlands - structure and lists is already there from last year.
Many monuments have already photos, work for NL starts later this year.
- Poland - Chapter is enthusiast, need to get more volunteers. Some
60000 monuments, and there is some list structure. Unclear how much work to be done.
- Portugal - the 4000-5000 monuments are already structured in lists
on the wiki.
- Spain - volunteers from both Wikimedia España and Associació Amical
Viquipèdia are involved in organizing the list structures in several language Wikipedia's about Spain and Andorra. (13000 monuments)
- Sweden - situation unclear.
- Switzerland - 8300 monuments, available in structured lists.
I realize this probably contains errors, so please correct me!
Unfortunately Italy will not participate because of issues with Italian copyright law regarding cultural heritage :(
Looking forward to keep working on this and your replies (short reports on how things are going in your country and what problems you face would be welcome!)
Lodewijk and Maarten
[1]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/progress
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
The participation of Amical Viquipèdia is someway atypical. We are working with lists on ca.wiki and we are in contact with some partners potencially interested on promoting local awards. Most lists are of Spanish monuments but there are also some ones of other countries.
*Andorra, completed with 57 monuments. Heritage institution is very interested in participating. At present his website is broken due to problems of configuration on DNS servers. *Pyrénées-Orientales (France), completed with 266 monuments. Source information is the same one used on fr.wiki. Geolocation has been added manually. As there is no freedom of panorama, perhaps some monuments should be marked as excluded from WLM contest. This should be treated accordingly with other cases where there is no freedom of panorama. *Alghero (Italy), completed with 20 monuments. Italian law is complex. Apart from no freedom of panorama, some monuments may be subject to prior authorization and payment of a tax for reproductions for a non private use. The town council collaborates with the project and his lawyer has confirmed us that there is no restrictions for monuments of Alghero. Perhaps we could make more lists of Sardinia based on a case by case analysis with the suport of local authorities. *Spain. Source information is problematic. There are two sources with two different identifiers: from autonomous communities and from central government. Some autonomous communities have online information and others have none. Information from the central inventory is incomplete, outdated, and there are problems to correctly identify some monuments without location or description. It must be worked manually and we can not link it. We have completed Valencian Community, with a local website, and we are in contact with heritage institutions of Catalonia and Majorca for providing us a better database. In total, we are working with about 1/3 of Spanish monuments.
We have made an onwiki portal to group all lists: http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Wiki_Loves_Monuments
Vicenç
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 16:20:32 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments, an update (march 2011)
Hi all,
The proposal for Wiki Loves Monuments Europe is around for a while now, and we're getting somewhere! On [1] you can find that there are currently 10 (!) countries interested in participating. This report is to help you get an idea of what is going on, where we are and where we are going. Any additional information about your countries situation would be extremely helpful. The following countries have indicated that they want to participate in this project:
Estonia - Finland - France - Germany - Netherlands - Poland - Portugal - Spain - Sweden - Switzerland
Additionally, there are a few countries interested and people are working on letting them participate, including:
Andorra - Austria - Belgium - Denmark - Liechtenstein - Luxembourg - Ukraine - United Kingdom
Currently most chapters are working on laying contacts and getting a structure off the ground. I have already participated a brainstorm session in Cologne, and will give a lecture/workshop on WLM in Wroclaw, Poland and Maarten will give a workshop in Berlin, both later this month. Do you need some help in getting your thoughts together? Would you like us to participate in a brainstorm session/workshop? Please let us know very soon, and we can probably organize something. In May we intend to organize a meeting in Berlin for representatives from all organizations participating in this European contest. We are still looking for funding to be able to fly in people that cannot afford it themselves (please poke me if your chapter can help with that), and Wikimedia Deutschland has generously offered to host us in Berlin. They will organize there a developers meeting, and that would be an excellent synergy for us since we could perhaps persuade some people there to write tools useful for WLM! I would like some input from you on this meeting, but more information about that in a seperate email. Short summaries as I am aware (happy to be corrected and see additional information) about the participating countries:
* Estonia - Decided recently to participate. Need some thinking about the Freedom of Panorama, but 5 volunteers are enthusiast. Status of lists and contacts unknown. * Finland - Have the data available for the 2000-3000 monuments, no lists yet?
* France - started off as one of the first countries with some 43000 monuments. There is a structure for the lists, all lists are not there yet. Chapter is supportive (?)* Germany - Problematic with their 700.000 monuments and no central authority registering them. Volunteers are working to get the data bit by bit, and might take quite some effort. Project set up, seems to be moving. Chapter is organizing workshops to get volunteers involved. * Netherlands - structure and lists is already there from last year. Many monuments have already photos, work for NL starts later this year. * Poland - Chapter is enthusiast, need to get more volunteers. Some 60000 monuments, and there is some list structure. Unclear how much work to be done. * Portugal - the 4000-5000 monuments are already structured in lists on the wiki.
* Spain - volunteers from both Wikimedia España and Associació Amical Viquipèdia are involved in organizing the list structures in several language Wikipedia's about Spain and Andorra. (13000 monuments)* Sweden - situation unclear.
* Switzerland - 8300 monuments, available in structured lists. I realize this probably contains errors, so please correct me!
Unfortunately Italy will not participate because of issues with Italian copyright law regarding cultural heritage :(
Looking forward to keep working on this and your replies (short reports on how things are going in your country and what problems you face would be welcome!) Lodewijk and Maarten
[1]: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/progress
_______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Hi Vincenç,
thank you for the update from your side. I think it is important to cooperate with the other association and volunteers working on this in Spain and France to make sure you dont do double work.
For Italy, I'm afraid that Italian law won't allow such event (we discussed this with the Italian chapter - there is some problem that the Italian government would get copyright, so a free license would not really be an option). So I'm afraid that for Wiki Loves Monuments we cannot let Italy participate, not even Alghero.
I am glad everything is going so well, and I hope you are coordinating especially in spain well together with the chapter, to avoid approaching the same institution twice - that would come across very awkwardly.
best regards,
Lodewijk
2011/3/6 Vicenç Riullop vriullop@hotmail.com
The participation of Amical Viquipèdia is someway atypical. We are working with lists on ca.wiki and we are in contact with some partners potencially interested on promoting local awards. Most lists are of Spanish monuments but there are also some ones of other countries.
*Andorra, completed with 57 monuments. Heritage institution is very interested in participating. At present his website is broken due to problems of configuration on DNS servers. *Pyrénées-Orientales (France), completed with 266 monuments. Source information is the same one used on fr.wiki. Geolocation has been added manually. As there is no freedom of panorama, perhaps some monuments should be marked as excluded from WLM contest. This should be treated accordingly with other cases where there is no freedom of panorama. *Alghero (Italy), completed with 20 monuments. Italian law is complex. Apart from no freedom of panorama, some monuments may be subject to prior authorization and payment of a tax for reproductions for a non private use. The town council collaborates with the project and his lawyer has confirmed us that there is no restrictions for monuments of Alghero. Perhaps we could make more lists of Sardinia based on a case by case analysis with the suport of local authorities. *Spain. Source information is problematic. There are two sources with two different identifiers: from autonomous communities and from central government. Some autonomous communities have online information and others have none. Information from the central inventory is incomplete, outdated, and there are problems to correctly identify some monuments without location or description. It must be worked manually and we can not link it. We have completed Valencian Community, with a local website, and we are in contact with heritage institutions of Catalonia and Majorca for providing us a better database. In total, we are working with about 1/3 of Spanish monuments.
We have made an onwiki portal to group all lists: http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Wiki_Loves_Monuments
Vicenç
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 16:20:32 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments, an update (march 2011)
Hi all,
The proposal for Wiki Loves Monuments Europe is around for a while now, and we're getting somewhere! On [1] you can find that there are currently 10 (!) countries interested in participating. This report is to help you get an idea of what is going on, where we are and where we are going. Any additional information about your countries situation would be extremely helpful.
The following countries have indicated that they want to participate in this project:
Estonia - Finland - France - Germany - Netherlands - Poland - Portugal - Spain - Sweden - Switzerland
Additionally, there are a few countries interested and people are working on letting them participate, including:
Andorra - Austria - Belgium - Denmark - Liechtenstein - Luxembourg - Ukraine - United Kingdom
Currently most chapters are working on laying contacts and getting a structure off the ground. I have already participated a brainstorm session in Cologne, and will give a lecture/workshop on WLM in Wroclaw, Poland and Maarten will give a workshop in Berlin, both later this month. Do you need some help in getting your thoughts together? Would you like us to participate in a brainstorm session/workshop? Please let us know very soon, and we can probably organize something.
In May we intend to organize a meeting in Berlin for representatives from all organizations participating in this European contest. We are still looking for funding to be able to fly in people that cannot afford it themselves (please poke me if your chapter can help with that), and Wikimedia Deutschland has generously offered to host us in Berlin. They will organize there a developers meeting, and that would be an excellent synergy for us since we could perhaps persuade some people there to write tools useful for WLM! I would like some input from you on this meeting, but more information about that in a seperate email.
Short summaries as I am aware (happy to be corrected and see additional information) about the participating countries:
- Estonia - Decided recently to participate. Need some thinking about the
Freedom of Panorama, but 5 volunteers are enthusiast. Status of lists and contacts unknown.
- Finland - Have the data available for the 2000-3000 monuments, no lists
yet?
- France - started off as one of the first countries with some 43000
monuments. There is a structure for the lists, all lists are not there yet. Chapter is supportive (?)
- Germany - Problematic with their 700.000 monuments and no central
authority registering them. Volunteers are working to get the data bit by bit, and might take quite some effort. Project set up, seems to be moving. Chapter is organizing workshops to get volunteers involved.
- Netherlands - structure and lists is already there from last year. Many
monuments have already photos, work for NL starts later this year.
- Poland - Chapter is enthusiast, need to get more volunteers. Some 60000
monuments, and there is some list structure. Unclear how much work to be done.
- Portugal - the 4000-5000 monuments are already structured in lists on the
wiki.
- Spain - volunteers from both Wikimedia España and Associació Amical
Viquipèdia are involved in organizing the list structures in several language Wikipedia's about Spain and Andorra. (13000 monuments)
- Sweden - situation unclear.
- Switzerland - 8300 monuments, available in structured lists.
I realize this probably contains errors, so please correct me!
Unfortunately Italy will not participate because of issues with Italian copyright law regarding cultural heritage :(
Looking forward to keep working on this and your replies (short reports on how things are going in your country and what problems you face would be welcome!)
Lodewijk and Maarten
_______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
We have discussed the Alghero case with the mayor and his lawyer and we have transferred them the comments made by wm-it. According to them, at Alghero there is not any "beni culturali tutelati dallo Stato" (tutelary cultural heritage assets owned by the State) and there is not any copyrigthed monument, so all monuments listed can be photographed freely. The town council supports wlm and this month there is an ongoing photographic contest at Alghero: http://www.viquimedia.cat/viqui/L%27Alguer_a_la_Viquip%C3%A8dia/it
Vicenç
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:52:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments, an update (march 2011) To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org CC: vriullop@hotmail.com
Hi Vincenç,
thank you for the update from your side. I think it is important to cooperate with the other association and volunteers working on this in Spain and France to make sure you dont do double work.
For Italy, I'm afraid that Italian law won't allow such event (we discussed this with the Italian chapter - there is some problem that the Italian government would get copyright, so a free license would not really be an option). So I'm afraid that for Wiki Loves Monuments we cannot let Italy participate, not even Alghero.
I am glad everything is going so well, and I hope you are coordinating especially in spain well together with the chapter, to avoid approaching the same institution twice - that would come across very awkwardly.
best regards,
Lodewijk
wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org