Hi all,
Now that we are brainstorming about the future of the contest, the best advice WLM-PA can give you all is to forget about Flickr at all for future contests. Our experience with moving photos from the Flickr group to Commons using Flickrripper was terrible, all because of a bug in the service API[0], for which none of the affected people has received an answer from the API developers so far. If you add to that the fact that after several years Flickr has not yet implemented search by hash and issues with nominating imported photos as quality images[1], when it comes down to WLM, Flickr is just a trash can where to put photos for additional complications.
I would like to read about alternatives, because we in Panama are definitely not going to do anything Flickr related next year.
David E. Narvaez
[0] http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/yws-flickr/message/7809 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons
Hi David,
Op 15-11-2012 19:54, David Narvaez schreef:
Now that we are brainstorming about the future of the contest, the best advice WLM-PA can give you all is to forget about Flickr at all for future contests. Our experience with moving photos from the Flickr group to Commons using Flickrripper was terrible, all because of a bug in the service API[0], for which none of the affected people has received an answer from the API developers so far. If you add to that the fact that after several years Flickr has not yet implemented search by hash and issues with nominating imported photos as quality images[1], when it comes down to WLM, Flickr is just a trash can where to put photos for additional complications.
Yes, ditch it.
I would like to read about alternatives, because we in Panama are definitely not going to do anything Flickr related next year.
Just use Commons upload wizard preferable with the direct upload links from the Wikipedia lists.
Maarten
Are you sure it is indeed a flickr bug? I suspect it was the problem with flickripper that I reported (and fixed) in http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikilovesmonuments/2012-October/005145.... (sadly, I only discovered it after you had manually finished copying)
I'm not sure why you need search by hash in flickr.
Also, I should note that accepting flickr contributions was always optional.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Are you sure it is indeed a flickr bug? I suspect it was the problem with flickripper that I reported (and fixed) in http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikilovesmonuments/2012-October/005145.... (sadly, I only discovered it after you had manually finished copying)
Yes, I'm sure.
I'm not sure why you need search by hash in flickr.
Check Flickrripper's code.
Also, I should note that accepting flickr contributions was always optional.
True. My recommendation is, then, do not even consider it an option.
David E. Narvaez
2012/11/15 David Narvaez david.narvaez@computer.org:
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Also, I should note that accepting flickr contributions was always optional.
True. My recommendation is, then, do not even consider it an option.
I beg to disagree. The more years you go on with the contest, the less important flickr becomes, but in the first year and probably the second, it can still be hugely important because it gives you (the organizers) easy access to a huge library of pictures which can be freed with a single click of the mouse. One should never underestimate the power of complacency in people! For instance, each year we had one serious flickr uploader which was willing to free his collection. Perhaps they would have contributed also on commons, but certainly with less pictures.
As to the flickrriper script, you can always write another one if you feel like it, or you can just automate submissions to Bryan's [1] or Magnus' [2] tools.
Strainu
[1] http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload [2] http://toolserver.org/~magnus/ts2/flickr2commons/
Am 15.11.2012 22:24, schrieb Strainu:
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As to the flickrriper script, you can always write another one if you feel like it, or you can just automate submissions to Bryan's [1] or Magnus' [2] tools.
Strainu
[1] http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload [2] http://toolserver.org/~magnus/ts2/flickr2commons/
Psssst, don't look at https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and do not test the "Add images from Flickr" button.... Will become available on Commons soon
Raimond.
2012/11/15 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking@gmail.com:
Am 15.11.2012 22:24, schrieb Strainu:
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As to the flickrriper script, you can always write another one if you feel like it, or you can just automate submissions to Bryan's [1] or Magnus' [2] tools.
Strainu
[1] http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload [2] http://toolserver.org/~magnus/ts2/flickr2commons/
Psssst, don't look at https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and do not test the "Add images from Flickr" button.... Will become available on Commons soon
I promise I *won't* look at this uber, uber cool not-yet-unveiled feature :P
Thanks Raimond!
Strainu
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Strainu strainu10@gmail.com wrote:
2012/11/15 David Narvaez david.narvaez@computer.org:
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Also, I should note that accepting flickr contributions was always optional.
True. My recommendation is, then, do not even consider it an option.
I beg to disagree. The more years you go on with the contest, the less important flickr becomes, but in the first year and probably the second, it can still be hugely important because it gives you (the organizers) easy access to a huge library of pictures which can be freed with a single click of the mouse. One should never underestimate the power of complacency in people! For instance, each year we had one serious flickr uploader which was willing to free his collection. Perhaps they would have contributed also on commons, but certainly with less pictures.
Those huge libraries of pictures took approx. 2k clicks of the mouse, since we had to add them manually to Commons. If you have an army of volunteers, that sounds plausible. If you have a 5-people team, like we had in Panama, ditch Flickr.
As to the flickrriper script, you can always write another one if you feel like it, or you can just automate submissions to Bryan's [1] or Magnus' [2] tools.
Flickrripper is great. It can be improved and I'll be sending my patches, but the problem is not Flickrripper: Flickr is broken, period.
David E. Narvaez
Hi all
Personally, I don't know much about the codings and API stuffs, but what I'm wondering is, can we get an API for use on Google Picasa?
From the way Flickr is much mentioned in WLM photo contest, I suppose
flickr's got tons of images. But have we considered the tens of tons of photos on Picasa? Now all photos uploaded onto most websites (if not all) are dumped into Picasa and synced on all Google platforms.
The idea of importing photos from an external website, for me, is a nice idea and should at least continue, but as David explained, it should be so problematic that users lose interest both in its usage plus the WLM contest.
One more question: Was and/or is the Flickr Ripper thing developed by Wikimedia Foundation? If not, then I think when the WMF also becomes a part of its development, its reliability and robustness will improve.
Sorry David, I just could feel how annoyed that must have been. :-/
thanks
rex
On Thursday, November 15, 2012, David Narvaez wrote:
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Strainu <strainu10@gmail.comjavascript:;> wrote:
2012/11/15 David Narvaez <david.narvaez@computer.org javascript:;>:
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Platonides <platonides@gmail.comjavascript:;>
wrote:
Also, I should note that accepting flickr contributions was always
optional.
True. My recommendation is, then, do not even consider it an option.
I beg to disagree. The more years you go on with the contest, the less important flickr becomes, but in the first year and probably the second, it can still be hugely important because it gives you (the organizers) easy access to a huge library of pictures which can be freed with a single click of the mouse. One should never underestimate the power of complacency in people! For instance, each year we had one serious flickr uploader which was willing to free his collection. Perhaps they would have contributed also on commons, but certainly with less pictures.
Those huge libraries of pictures took approx. 2k clicks of the mouse, since we had to add them manually to Commons. If you have an army of volunteers, that sounds plausible. If you have a 5-people team, like we had in Panama, ditch Flickr.
As to the flickrriper script, you can always write another one if you feel like it, or you can just automate submissions to Bryan's [1] or Magnus' [2] tools.
Flickrripper is great. It can be improved and I'll be sending my patches, but the problem is not Flickrripper: Flickr is broken, period.
David E. Narvaez
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