Dear all,
(apologies for the long message, but I think this info is helpful. Please feel free to translate and/or post elsewhere.) We're well on our way for organizing Wiki Loves Monuments 2012! With already many countrieshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Participating_countriesconfirmed, and working on their local organization, it starts to look all exciting. With many new countries on board, it is probably helpful to explain a bit better what Wiki Loves Monuments is all about, and why certain parameters have been chosen in the past. This email will contain a bit background information about the philosophy we had in mind, and several useful (in-text) links too.
First of all I would like to share some thoughts about the goals we usually have in mind when we were talking about organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments in the Netherlands. Because although it seems pretty obvious that the many photos that are collected are a big advantage, that was at least for me personally not the main reason to organize. My main incentive was to make more people aware of what Free licenses are all about, and to make people aware that they can add content to Wikimedia projects. Let them take that first step, and allow then the community to welcome those people. It is a wonderful outreach opportunity, but also an 'inreach' opportunity. We bring the core communities in contact with motivated photographers who have quality content to share.
At the same time, it is a way to motivate the volunteers who normally edit WIkipedia, to go a little step further - and help a little big in the organization. Because it is a reasonably well outlined event - but still gives plenty of freedom, it is a great opportunity to try out how to organize something in your country if you're not actively doing so. It also is a breeding ground for further collaborations with cultural heritage institutions which you may not have had contacts with yet. I would dare to say we have been successful with that. More than 200 volunteers collaborated in 18 countries. More than 5000 people uploaded images, of who 4000 never contributed anything to Wikimedia. More than 160.000 images were released for usage on Wikimedia projects.
You may already have found the Concept pagehttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Documentation on Wikimedia Commons which contains basic documentation about how the Wiki Loves Monuments looks like. There are some important principles we try to keep constantly in mind, which are in our understanding of the past two years the reason for its success. They may seem intuitive to some, but the consequences are unintuitive to many.
First of all, it is important that it is *easy to participate*. The threshold should be as low as possible for people who have never uploaded anything. This is both technically (easy upload forms) but maybe just as important: socially. We should not throw up rules which are not absolutely necessary, and be as welcoming as possible. Lets just accept it that there will be some low quality images, because thanks to lower thresholds, there will also be more high quality images. Lets not bother the new users too much with our obsession with categories, templates and layout - but let us focus on welcoming them, and suggesting how they can *easily* write articles about their object of interest: cultural heritage.
It should of course be *fun to participate*. This sounds obvious, but many things can make it a lot less fun. For example, bureaucratic measures such as sending permission emails and (again) adding categories. Lets try to take that away from them, and for example think through the upload process in such a way that emails are not necessary (only own work). No categorization is strictly necessary (use the available databases to automatically categorize based on the identifier). But also, organize events, thank people. Something we can improve on this year by the way, is a thanking/badge system for participants. If there is anyone willing to take this up, I would warmly welcome that (please create a separate thread about that).
Where-ever you live, participating should be *nearby home*. This is similar to easy to participate, but very practical: we don't want people to have to travel long distances to get to a monument. Lets try to use a definition for monuments that allows many people to photograph monuments nearby their home. For your comparison: the Netherlands has 60.000 monuments on a population of 17 Million. This may be at the higher side of the range, but it seems to work just fine. You may for example consider adding 'state-level' or 'province-level' monuments if you want more objects. Think out loud and definitely ask for input if you think you have very few monuments. Don't worry about not completing the list with a photo for every object: that is not the goal. If we cover 10% in one contest, that is a major achievement. Nearby home is not *just* important because of the time, but also because people are proud of their own area, and want to tell the rest of the world about it!
We learned that for many people the main reason to participate is to *Help Wikipedia*. We should incorporate that in all our messaging. They care about prizes to some degree, but especially the super-participants with many uploads, and the many people who just upload their vacation pictures because they have them anyway, will mainly participate because they want to help. Those are also the people who are more likely to stick around. This is also why it is so important to have the monument lists on Wikipedia, and use the images there.
Finally, it is imperative that participants get *quick and visible results*. If they upload something, we should try to have a mechanism to actually being used. Maarten created a wonderful bot to make suggestions which images can be used where. I'm sure he will share that in more detail later on, but this is why online volunteers are also important during the contest. If we can put up images on the lists quickly, that has two major effects: people see that their contributions have an actual impact, and will continue to participate, but also they will be able to focus on the monuments that need their help most: monuments without a photo, or a very bad photo. By adding the contributions to the lists quickly, we avoid that they are disappointed because someone else already created a photo which was waiting, while they were taking the photo.
Please try to keep these lessons in mind when organizing your contest. Internally, this translates to two good practices: *Communicate often, communicate well *both inside your group as with other countries. And also: *Keep it Simple*.
Thank you for reading through the end. I hope it helps.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 21:00:15 +0100, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Dear all,
(apologies for the long message, but I think this info is helpful.
Please
feel free to translate and/or post elsewhere.) We're well on our way for organizing Wiki Loves Monuments 2012! With already many
countrieshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Participating_countriesconfirmed,
and working on their local organization, it starts to look all exciting. With many new countries on board, it is probably helpful to explain a bit better what Wiki Loves Monuments is all about, and why certain parameters have been chosen in the past. This email will contain
a
bit background information about the philosophy we had in mind, and
several
useful (in-text) links too.
...
Lodewijk, thanks for the clear and thoughtful message. Please consider putting it to commons so that it will be up top translation.
There is one thing which we did not emphasize last year (or at least I have not seen it emphasized): that many of the picture they upload actually very quickly end up in lists and some of them end up in articles. I think many of the uploades do not realize how to look up where the images are used, and it is extremely motivating if you upload an image of a monument in Portugal and it ends up being used on Finnish Wikipedia. I think this year we should pay attention to this (mey be even think for an image used in most articles globally - but here we run a danger of users replacing other images with their image, which is not what we want to stimulate).
Cheers Yaroslav
On 09/03/12 21:58, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
There is one thing which we did not emphasize last year (or at least I have not seen it emphasized): that many of the picture they upload actually very quickly end up in lists and some of them end up in articles. I think many of the uploades do not realize how to look up where the images are used, and it is extremely motivating if you upload an image of a monument in Portugal and it ends up being used on Finnish Wikipedia. I think this year we should pay attention to this (mey be even think for an image used in most articles globally - but here we run a danger of users replacing other images with their image, which is not what we want to stimulate).
Cheers Yaroslav
It's also a bit hard to quantify the number of images in articles, as many monument lists appear in the NS 0, inflating the usage count.
It would indeed be cool if a few hours after uploading an image, the uploader would get an email saying "Thanks for your photo, it now appears in Chinese Wikipedia".
For this point you might consider to add a sort of did you know that you can see on a pictures page where it is used? to a sort of thank you message. Another thing could simply be a list of pictures used a lot (and other similar lists) to motivate people (smaller things without prices just lists of those) Mvg, Bas
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:56:46 +0100 From: platonides@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] The philosophy behind the few rules we had in 2011
On 09/03/12 21:58, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
There is one thing which we did not emphasize last year (or at least I have not seen it emphasized): that many of the picture they upload actually very quickly end up in lists and some of them end up in articles. I think many of the uploades do not realize how to look up where the images are used, and it is extremely motivating if you upload an image of a monument in Portugal and it ends up being used on Finnish Wikipedia. I think this year we should pay attention to this (mey be even think for an image used in most articles globally - but here we run a danger of users replacing other images with their image, which is not what we want to stimulate).
Cheers Yaroslav
It's also a bit hard to quantify the number of images in articles, as many monument lists appear in the NS 0, inflating the usage count.
It would indeed be cool if a few hours after uploading an image, the uploader would get an email saying "Thanks for your photo, it now appears in Chinese Wikipedia"> _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Op 10-3-2012 1:20, Bas vb schreef:
For this point you might consider to add a sort of did you know that you can see on a pictures page where it is used? to a sort of thank you message. Another thing could simply be a list of pictures used a lot (and other similar lists) to motivate people (smaller things without prices just lists of those)
Maybe we could have one of the bots leave a thank you message when one of the images is used (you could make that a bit higher if that becomes to spammy). A user should only get the message once and should have a link to a tool to show the usage of images uploaded by a certain user. Do we already have such a tool? I think this would be a great motivator, not only for Wiki Loves Monuments but for Commons as a whole.
Maarten
Mvg,
Bas
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:56:46 +0100 From: platonides@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] The philosophy behind the few
rules we had in 2011
On 09/03/12 21:58, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
There is one thing which we did not emphasize last year (or at least I have not seen it emphasized): that many of the picture they upload
actually
very quickly end up in lists and some of them end up in articles.
I think
many of the uploades do not realize how to look up where the
images are
used, and it is extremely motivating if you upload an image of a
monument
in Portugal and it ends up being used on Finnish Wikipedia. I
think this
year we should pay attention to this (mey be even think for an
image used
in most articles globally - but here we run a danger of users
replacing
other images with their image, which is not what we want to
stimulate).
Cheers Yaroslav
It's also a bit hard to quantify the number of images in articles, as many monument lists appear in the NS 0, inflating the usage count.
It would indeed be cool if a few hours after uploading an image, the uploader would get an email saying "Thanks for your photo, it now appears in Chinese Wikipedia"
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Maybe we could have one of the bots leave a thank you message when one of the images is used (you could make that a bit higher if that becomes to spammy). A user should only get the message once and should have a link to a tool to show the usage of images uploaded by a certain user. Do we already have such a tool? I think this would be a great motivator,
not only for Wiki Loves Monuments but for Commons as a whole.
Maarten
I agree, with the correction that bot should not react if the user themselves added the picture. I have never heard of this functionality, and also never seen anything like lists he most used files (is this the Wikipedia logo? I know that one of my files is used 20 times, but I am sure files in templates, for instance, can be used in hundreds of articles).
Cheers Yaroslav
Hi Lodewijk,
Thank you for taking the time to share this. This has given us a deeper what Wiki Loves Monuments is all about. I'll gladly share this with everyone in our organizing theme when we meet later to contemplate on what we have really been doing all along. I would like to apologize in our insistence in making the launch way much earlier than everyone else as we found our situation to be very different here because of our weather. I'm sure things would be very much different next year for us. But there's one thing we can guarantee you, we're working very hard to make this a success on our side.
We have fast tracked a lot of targets that has been laid down and we've already obtained the backing of our government cultural agency, and had made it a point to work with the Tourism ministry to further boost our efforts. There's just a few more details that we are working on, especially with the directors of our heritage sites complexes, which are very restrictive in granting photographers permits to have their sites photographed without a fee, as free license is totally new to them. And after a series of letters (not e-mails), and a one-on-one dialogue with them we've made breakthrough, so participants can have free access to these sites, we're just drafting guidelines, so that these sites are not desecrated and not abused by free-loaders.
What's for certain is we need your constant guide to make sure we remain aligned with the primary objectives of the competiton.
Best regards,
Roel
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.orgwrote:
Dear all,
(apologies for the long message, but I think this info is helpful. Please feel free to translate and/or post elsewhere.) We're well on our way for organizing Wiki Loves Monuments 2012! With already many countrieshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Participating_countriesconfirmed, and working on their local organization, it starts to look all exciting. With many new countries on board, it is probably helpful to explain a bit better what Wiki Loves Monuments is all about, and why certain parameters have been chosen in the past. This email will contain a bit background information about the philosophy we had in mind, and several useful (in-text) links too.
First of all I would like to share some thoughts about the goals we usually have in mind when we were talking about organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments in the Netherlands. Because although it seems pretty obvious that the many photos that are collected are a big advantage, that was at least for me personally not the main reason to organize. My main incentive was to make more people aware of what Free licenses are all about, and to make people aware that they can add content to Wikimedia projects. Let them take that first step, and allow then the community to welcome those people. It is a wonderful outreach opportunity, but also an 'inreach' opportunity. We bring the core communities in contact with motivated photographers who have quality content to share.
At the same time, it is a way to motivate the volunteers who normally edit WIkipedia, to go a little step further - and help a little big in the organization. Because it is a reasonably well outlined event - but still gives plenty of freedom, it is a great opportunity to try out how to organize something in your country if you're not actively doing so. It also is a breeding ground for further collaborations with cultural heritage institutions which you may not have had contacts with yet. I would dare to say we have been successful with that. More than 200 volunteers collaborated in 18 countries. More than 5000 people uploaded images, of who 4000 never contributed anything to Wikimedia. More than 160.000 images were released for usage on Wikimedia projects.
You may already have found the Concept pagehttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Documentation on Wikimedia Commons which contains basic documentation about how the Wiki Loves Monuments looks like. There are some important principles we try to keep constantly in mind, which are in our understanding of the past two years the reason for its success. They may seem intuitive to some, but the consequences are unintuitive to many.
First of all, it is important that it is *easy to participate*. The threshold should be as low as possible for people who have never uploaded anything. This is both technically (easy upload forms) but maybe just as important: socially. We should not throw up rules which are not absolutely necessary, and be as welcoming as possible. Lets just accept it that there will be some low quality images, because thanks to lower thresholds, there will also be more high quality images. Lets not bother the new users too much with our obsession with categories, templates and layout - but let us focus on welcoming them, and suggesting how they can *easily* write articles about their object of interest: cultural heritage.
It should of course be *fun to participate*. This sounds obvious, but many things can make it a lot less fun. For example, bureaucratic measures such as sending permission emails and (again) adding categories. Lets try to take that away from them, and for example think through the upload process in such a way that emails are not necessary (only own work). No categorization is strictly necessary (use the available databases to automatically categorize based on the identifier). But also, organize events, thank people. Something we can improve on this year by the way, is a thanking/badge system for participants. If there is anyone willing to take this up, I would warmly welcome that (please create a separate thread about that).
Where-ever you live, participating should be *nearby home*. This is similar to easy to participate, but very practical: we don't want people to have to travel long distances to get to a monument. Lets try to use a definition for monuments that allows many people to photograph monuments nearby their home. For your comparison: the Netherlands has 60.000 monuments on a population of 17 Million. This may be at the higher side of the range, but it seems to work just fine. You may for example consider adding 'state-level' or 'province-level' monuments if you want more objects. Think out loud and definitely ask for input if you think you have very few monuments. Don't worry about not completing the list with a photo for every object: that is not the goal. If we cover 10% in one contest, that is a major achievement. Nearby home is not *just* important because of the time, but also because people are proud of their own area, and want to tell the rest of the world about it!
We learned that for many people the main reason to participate is to *Help Wikipedia*. We should incorporate that in all our messaging. They care about prizes to some degree, but especially the super-participants with many uploads, and the many people who just upload their vacation pictures because they have them anyway, will mainly participate because they want to help. Those are also the people who are more likely to stick around. This is also why it is so important to have the monument lists on Wikipedia, and use the images there.
Finally, it is imperative that participants get *quick and visible results *. If they upload something, we should try to have a mechanism to actually being used. Maarten created a wonderful bot to make suggestions which images can be used where. I'm sure he will share that in more detail later on, but this is why online volunteers are also important during the contest. If we can put up images on the lists quickly, that has two major effects: people see that their contributions have an actual impact, and will continue to participate, but also they will be able to focus on the monuments that need their help most: monuments without a photo, or a very bad photo. By adding the contributions to the lists quickly, we avoid that they are disappointed because someone else already created a photo which was waiting, while they were taking the photo.
Please try to keep these lessons in mind when organizing your contest. Internally, this translates to two good practices: *Communicate often, communicate well *both inside your group as with other countries. And also: *Keep it Simple*.
Thank you for reading through the end. I hope it helps.
Best,
Lodewijk
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